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Old 03-09-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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That might be an unintended consequence of Congress ignoring the childless poor while falling over itself to give goodies to families with children. You know, family values (R) and me-too-ism (D) and all that.
Not to get too far off topic...

There are no shelters for single men in my area... not uncommon to find men sleeping in doorways... it happens too often here. If is gets too bad the only option is to keep moving or get picked up for a psych hold.

Single women and women with children have shelter options.

In my Grandparents day a man wouldn't think of marriage until he was established... this is why the man was generally 6 to 8 years older.

Section 8 Vouchers going unused, Multiple Bids on homes offered for sale and people lined up for available rentals is the sign of the times... it is where the cycle is... this too will change because it always does.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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Of course! That's it! Because before we had any form of social welfare whatsoever, there was no poverty. Right.

What's different now is that we've criminalized child labor and at the same time, technological changes have made children unsuitable for many of our jobs. Kids are not the reason for poverty.

Besides, if everyone waited until they were "financially prepared" to have children, we'd be extinct or close to it. It's hard to be fully financially prepared in the prime child bearing years. Once you hit 40, you might be more "prepared," but your child-bearing years are walking out the door at that point.
No. We'd have the birthrate of Japan or the Nordic countries. They're going to experience population contraction but they're hardly at risk of extinction.

If you look at the demographics in the United States, the affluent have birth rates comparable to Japan and the Nordic countries. It's the poor with the high birth rates. Given the lack of socioeconomic class mobility in the United States, it's pretty easy to extrapolate out 50 years and see the movie "Idiocracy" becoming our reality. The US is going to be swamped with semi-literate barbarians from single parent households. This is politically incorrect but the public policy of the last 50 years of LBJ Great Society have been an abject failure. We now have a permanent underclass with essentially zero socioeconomic class mobility. With today's birthrates, that permanent underclass projects to be more than 50% of the country in 50 years.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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I don't know what the answer is... the shift has been profound.

For decades Oakland California has been one failed attempt to revitalize and attract investment... now that it is happening the city is implementing emergency measures to preserve the status quo...

Fees of up to 30k added to new home construction... laws like Just Cause which basically grant lifetime tenancy to tenants along with rent control...

The piling on of extra fees just add to the cost of new construction and drive up prices for existing.

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Old 03-09-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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No. We'd have the birthrate of Japan or the Nordic countries. They're going to experience population contraction but they're hardly at risk of extinction.

If you look at the demographics in the United States, the affluent have birth rates comparable to Japan and the Nordic countries. It's the poor with the high birth rates. Given the lack of socioeconomic class mobility in the United States, it's pretty easy to extrapolate out 50 years and see the movie "Idiocracy" becoming our reality. The US is going to be swamped with semi-literate barbarians from single parent households. This is politically incorrect but the public policy of the last 50 years of LBJ Great Society have been an abject failure. We now have a permanent underclass with essentially zero socioeconomic class mobility. With today's birthrates, that permanent underclass projects to be more than 50% of the country in 50 years.

They ARE at risk of extinction - not complete extinction but their societies are going to be very negatively impacted and irreversibly altered within just a couple of generations.

Two adults have to have at least two children on average in order to replace themselves so to speak. If two adults have just one child on average, or "less than two kids," simple math tells us that this is unsustainable for a culture.

Low Birth Rates: Causes, Consequences, and Remedies-Becker - The Becker-Posner Blog

Why a Falling Birth Rate Is a Big Problem - US News

Economists fear low birth rates in developed world will choke growth | South China Morning Post

In 2014, the sale of adult diapers surpassed the sale of baby diapers in Japan.
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Old 03-09-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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Not new, but it would be new if Americans finally acknowledge that American capitalism fails the poor in housing.
Actually, it's quite the opposite. It's capitalism that creates jobs, that in turn brings in taxes that are then redistributed to the poor.
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Old 03-09-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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In 2014, the sale of adult diapers surpassed the sale of baby diapers in Japan.
Hahahahha
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Old 03-09-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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Actually, it's quite the opposite. It's capitalism that creates jobs, that in turn brings in taxes that are then redistributed to the poor.

It's capitalism that creates jobs which cause rents to necessarily skyrocket, which represent dollars being redistributed from renters to their landlords.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:22 PM
 
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My dollars are redistributed all the time, to all sorts of places - and prices are going up in most of those places too.

I WANT TO KEEP MY DOLLARS AND JUST GET STUFF FOR FREE!!!!!!! Or at least for less than it costs the other person to provide it - or at LEAST get someone else to pay for at least part of it!!!!
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Western MN
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In 2014, the sale of adult diapers surpassed the sale of baby diapers in Japan.
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Hahahahha
You won't think it's so funny when you get old.
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Old 03-09-2016, 11:52 PM
 
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My dollars are redistributed all the time, to all sorts of places - and prices are going up in most of those places too.

I WANT TO KEEP MY DOLLARS AND JUST GET STUFF FOR FREE!!!!!!! Or at least for less than it costs the other person to provide it - or at LEAST get someone else to pay for at least part of it!!!!

Calm down, no need to SHOUT.

Excluding government transfer payments, who, on average, do you think gets the best (or worst) value for their consumer dollar - low income, middle income, or upper income?

I would say that lower income people, on average, get the least value for their housing dollar. It's like not being able to afford a whole loaf, so you pay for a half loaf and get a quarter loaf.

Slumlords exist because low-end rental housing is priced much higher than it costs financially the owner to provide.
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