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Old 03-26-2016, 10:55 PM
 
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I think your statement (in bold) is questionable, because it depends mostly on the exchange rate. From 2014 to 2015 German car exports to the U.S. rose by 3.2% (in volume terms), it rose by 3.1% in USD terms. But it rose by 23.5% in Euro terms. With the current exchange rate it's easy for German car makers to make huge profits in the U.S.

All those luxury models in your list are cars (not light-duty trucks). Almost all car models in the U.S. are suffering, whereas the sales of light-duty trucks are strongly on the rise. German car makes are lacking in the offer of SUVs and pickup trucks.

Tesla has a unique selling point (electric cars). It's probably one of the few sedans with rising sales. It's a good thing that more people buy electric cars. BTW, the U.S. sales of electric BMW cars have increased by 80.96% in 2015. From 6,092 in 2014 to 11,024 in 2015.

And comparing the U.S. market from 2005 to 2015:

Total market: +2.8%
BMW: +31.6%
Daimler: +69.6%
VW Group: +94.9%

In the first two month of 2016, Daimler has increased its world-wide sales by about 14%, BMW by about 8% and Volkswagen Group by about 1%.
This is a much more accurate than ZachF's Tesla fanboy post. You're correct in that North American sales for sedans (including the luxury brands) have been hammered while luxury SUV sales have been hot due to low gas prices. The BMW X5 sales went from 47K to 54K, 2014 to 2015. The Audi Q5 went from 42K to 52K.

Tesla is looking at a ton of headwinds. They are not going to be the only electric car on the block anymore. The new Chevy Bolt on the downmarket will have a 200+ mile range. On the luxury end, Porsche, Audi, and Mercedes will be rolling out products by 2018. And you think Lexus will be sitting on their butt?

On top of that, Tesla will lose their $8K federal credit in the next year or two.

Finally, Tesla has never turned a profit. They have not demonstrated a capacity to keep production timelines for 25K/year, let alone a mass market car like the Model3 is supposed to be.

Tesla's stock is like Amazon pre cloud services spiking; all hope, unicorns, and rainbows. Now that the German companies have taken aim, they are going to get clobbered.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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I don't know why UK cannot jus refuse to accept more refugees like Poland and Hugary.
Err... they have. The UK has an upcoming vote on June 23 to exit the EU. I don't think it will happen but the refugee mess certainly had a lot to do with the vote. The UK has seen massive immigration from the former Soviet eastern block countries. There are now 1.9 "EU worker" in the UK with well over a million from that demographic. Like the immigration problem in the US, it has depressed wages for the bottom half. Great for businesses. Not so great for the bottom half.

The Germany thing has a pretty obvious outcome. The refugees get ejected back to Syria the moment it becomes at least somewhat stable or Merkel loses power and it happens 90 days after that. If it doesn't happen, the EU dissolves over it. There are 4 billion poor people in the world. They can't all move to the social democratic utopias of northern Europe. The Nordic countries are already saying GTFO. We've seen what just happened in Belgium. BENELUX is saying GTFO. France already has their North African Muslim problem. They don't want any more. Anywhere south and east of Germany is building Trump's Wall already.
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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Just like i expected.



Here's why German bosses are worried for the future - The Local

Many problems for Germany such as China and cheap oil.
How about employing the migrants to the manufacture sectors?

The German utilities were always expensive? Even their office supplies were too shady for the unrealistic high prices that offered?

I was just suggesting.
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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Err... they have. The UK has an upcoming vote on June 23 to exit the EU. I don't think it will happen but the refugee mess certainly had a lot to do with the vote. The UK has seen massive immigration from the former Soviet eastern block countries. There are now 1.9 "EU worker" in the UK with well over a million from that demographic. Like the immigration problem in the US, it has depressed wages for the bottom half. Great for businesses. Not so great for the bottom half.

The Germany thing has a pretty obvious outcome. The refugees get ejected back to Syria the moment it becomes at least somewhat stable or Merkel loses power and it happens 90 days after that. If it doesn't happen, the EU dissolves over it. There are 4 billion poor people in the world. They can't all move to the social democratic utopias of northern Europe. The Nordic countries are already saying GTFO. We've seen what just happened in Belgium. BENELUX is saying GTFO. France already has their North African Muslim problem. They don't want any more. Anywhere south and east of Germany is building Trump's Wall already.
I mean without leaving EU like Poland. Why such a drastic move as Brexit.
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Old 03-27-2016, 09:41 AM
 
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How about employing the migrants to the manufacture sectors?

The German utilities were always expensive? Even their office supplies were too shady for the unrealistic high prices that offered?

I was just suggesting.
Can they employ immigrants like dirt cheap?

€300 monthly salary??

Then they may have advantage.
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Old 03-27-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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I mean without leaving EU like Poland. Why such a drastic move as Brexit.
Because with open borders, people who live in economically depressed areas move to the areas with economic opportunity. It was already a problem before the Syrian refugee thing. The minimum wage in the affluent parts of Europe varies from $10.00 to $12.00/hour at today's high US dollar exchange rates. They have socialized medicine and mandated holiday, sick, & vacation time. The people moving from other parts of the EU and European economic zone are taking those "living wage" jobs the locals used to take. That has caused high unemployment rates among that labor class. It's pretty much the same as the Trump voters. Affluent people in the US are not usually Trump supporters. He appeals to what used to be the Reagan Democrats.
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Old 03-29-2016, 02:23 AM
 
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This is all Merkel's doing. She caused the refugee mess. That is driving all of this. You can't have millions of poor people, mostly young males, flood small socialist countries demanding the same social benefits. Everyone is putting up Trump's wall. The U.K. is pulling up the drawbridge on that moat between England and France. The Greece debacle was enabled for decades with German loans when it could have been dealt with before it was a catastrophe. When push comes to shove, people are tribal.
I agree with the exception about all of it being Merkel's doing. She is a pawn of the global elite. Not to say she didn't play a role, but it's much bigger than her.
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Old 03-29-2016, 02:27 AM
 
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It looks like the German Government was very ambitious with it's plans for ruling the European Empire and is now learning how heavy the head is that wears the crown.
There are a lot of things that Math and Science can't figure out and human psychology seems to be one of them.
It's like the term "herding cats".
Not all people are motivated by gathering money.
Actually, the elites have our psychology figured out quite well. When you understand they create crises deliberately as a way of consolidating more power and control for themselves, you'll understand perfectly. That's because, in a crisis, people are more willing to give up their civil rights and liberties in the name of creating peace. It works for a little while, until the next engineered crisis occurs when people give up even more of their rights. That's how the totalitarian tiptoe works. It's called Problem - Reaction - Solution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEz5fQ_Pm-g
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Old 03-29-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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I agree with the exception about all of it being Merkel's doing. She is a pawn of the global elite. Not to say she didn't play a role, but it's much bigger than her.
Not really. When push comes to shove, Europe is tribal. It is very difficult to relate to that in the United States because everyone in the US immigrated. Ignoring the native population that was largely wiped out, of course.

The EU is a free trade zone, not a country. This refugee crisis is going to end the open borders. Countries will exit the EU without leaving the free trade zone. Each country will have citizens who are part of the tribe with all the rights expected in a first world country. If you're not part of the tribe, you don't get those rights. It is a very different worldview than in the US. I've lived and worked in Belgium. I was always going to be an outsider despite being French fluent with passable Dutch.
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