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Old 05-23-2016, 08:02 PM
 
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The political system has effectively been gamed for decades so that elections are of little importance.
The popular vote was never intended from the beginning to be conclusive.
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Old 05-25-2016, 01:59 AM
 
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So,why is the idea that homeowners are "responsible" so prevalent?

Yes,homeowners are so responsible that they caused a serious recession in 2008.
Another will hit in a few years,at least it is predicted by some economists.

Renters can be responsible too.
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Old 05-27-2016, 04:53 AM
 
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So,why is the idea that homeowners are "responsible" so prevalent?
The idea behind only property owners having the vote is not that property owners are responsible, but that they are paying the taxes that the government then hands out to other people. This was in the days before the income tax, so the property tax was the main source of government revenue. The thinking was that, like a corporation that gives each shareholder a vote, the government is "owned" by the people who pay for it.

Benjamin Franklin is often quoted as saying, "democracy will end when the people discover they can vote themselves money," although it was probably someone else who said it since the quote cannot be traced to Franklin.
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Old 05-27-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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The idea behind only property owners having the vote is not that property owners are responsible, but that they are paying the taxes that the government then hands out to other people. This was in the days before the income tax, so the property tax was the main source of government revenue. The thinking was that, like a corporation that gives each shareholder a vote, the government is "owned" by the people who pay for it.
For the federal government, the liquor tax was the main source of revenue. That's why the federal income tax made Prohibition possible.

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Benjamin Franklin is often quoted as saying, "democracy will end when the people discover they can vote themselves money," although it was probably someone else who said it since the quote cannot be traced to Franklin.
Benjamin Franklin would not have said that because he knew the had created a republic, not a democracy, and he knew the difference.
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Old 05-27-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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The idea behind only property owners having the vote is not that property owners are responsible, but that they are paying the taxes that the government then hands out to other people. This was in the days before the income tax, so the property tax was the main source of government revenue. The thinking was that, like a corporation that gives each shareholder a vote, the government is "owned" by the people who pay for it.

Benjamin Franklin is often quoted as saying, "democracy will end when the people discover they can vote themselves money," although it was probably someone else who said it since the quote cannot be traced to Franklin.


The Framers believed renters magically escape paying property taxes?

What would they say about today's prevalent split roll property taxes?
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Old 12-18-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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OP: I think its a great idea. IF you own property, its an indication that you are or were a productive person. Right now we have a voting population that has a large percentage of people who are not and never have been employed or productive, and yet have an equal say in the government to those who support the government and the economy in general. Once you have a population that thinks that elections are about voting themselves a better standing of living, because the elected officials will increase the free money they get from the govt. the show will soon be over, and that is the path we are on.
Not all productive people aspire to own property. Especially in this world of insanely high housing. At this rate only old people will be able to vote because millenials arent buying houses. If this ever happened I hope Canada would start taking refugees
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Old 12-18-2018, 02:06 PM
 
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Back from the dead! lol
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Old 12-19-2018, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Uh people without property do have issues and concerns that need to be addressed by the politicians and money should not rule everything.
Right. This should be obvious.

Although I'm sure the one percent wealthy is bitter that everyone else can vote, too.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:51 PM
 
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Let's say that only people who own real property ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_property ) are allowed to vote, but that in return the only form of taxation is taxation on property. Would this not incentivize good economic policy since only people who have actual economic resources to lose would have a say while people who don't have property don't need to pay taxes? It just seems reasonable that only the people holding wealth get to decide how said wealth is spent for the whole, as compared to the current system where people just vote themselves into prosperity using other people's stuff.
That would be the worst thing ever. It's bad enough that the rich already control all the financial aspects of the USA and the 1% are basically running the country and getting richer while everyone else gets poorer.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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The economy would be better for property owners...that's for sure.



Iím going back into the way back machine to quote myself.
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