U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-15-2017, 07:45 PM
 
2,360 posts, read 1,037,477 times
Reputation: 2071

Advertisements

Im all for what we earn is what we keep speech. But min wage was also to put in place as barrier that a single person can live on basic housing. The side affect is, you can still live on the min basics of life then you run into thing we call bills. Landlord can jack up you rent for any reason they see fit, utilities goes up every month, gas prices flux, working hours can be cut short. List can go on and on. Dont start get the education speech as i know tons of kids and adults with masters in the field that can only get hire if they accept min wage entry levels.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-15-2017, 08:47 PM
 
1,037 posts, read 565,305 times
Reputation: 301
Quote:
Originally Posted by eddie1278 View Post
Contractors don't hire minimum wage workers. All laborers make over minimum wage 10-$15 an hour and mechanics, journeyman and foremans make double that at least.
EDDIE1278, the Federal minimum wage rate’s net beneficial to USA’s economy and society.

The federal minimum wage rate increases the purchasing powers of USA’s aggregate wages. Its
less a cause and much more a victim of inflation.

The purchasing power of the federal minimum wage rate affects all other USA wage rates but its proportional effect is inversely related to job’s differing wage rates.
USA’s lowest paying jobs performed by the least desirable employees, (i.e. the working poor) are, (proportional to their wage rates), the greatest beneficiaries of the federal minimum wage rate. But all USA wage rates are bolstered by the federal minimum wage rate.

Increases of the federal minimum wage rate, (similar to all prices or spending increases) contribute to the U.S. dollar’s rate of inflation; but it’s not among the primary causes of that inflation. The federal minimum wage rate is much less a cause and much more a victim of U.S. dollar’s purchasing power. Not increasing the minimum wage does not prevent the U. S. dollar’s reduction of purchasing power but our minimum and median wages’ lesser purchasing powers certainly increase our incidences and extents of poverty.

That’s why I’m among the proponents for increasing the minimum wage and thereafter annually monitoring and when necessary updating it to remain abreast with a cost-price index number. For many years that method has retained social security retirement benefits’ purchasing powers.

Last edited by toosie; 01-16-2017 at 11:09 AM.. Reason: signature again
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2017, 08:48 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
26,917 posts, read 58,068,998 times
Reputation: 29373
Quote:
Originally Posted by hitpausebutton2 View Post
But min wage was also to put in place as barrier
that a single person can live on basic housing.
Who told you that?

There was NEVER an expectation that anyone being paid MW (even with 40 and some OT)
should expect to be able to afford to pay their own way for an independent life.

If all you have is a MW job (eve with 40 and some OT) you should expect to be sharing a home.
If not with blood relatives then with others and a similar ratio of how many will be sharing that
kitchen you use and the toilet that you use and maybe even the bedroom that you use too.

You'll net most of $1000 a month which on a share basis is enough to eke out a life.
You won't be able to afford kids or any real luxuries though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2017, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
29,752 posts, read 47,576,640 times
Reputation: 17637
Quote:
Originally Posted by eddie1278 View Post
Contractors don't hire minimum wage workers. All laborers make over minimum wage 10-$15 an hour and mechanics, journeyman and foremans make double that at least.
Sure they do.

There are construction workers this week refurbishing a building of mine, who are making MW. Not of all them, it is mostly just the newer guys.

My plumbing contractor has an apprentice who is MW, and my framing contractor has 6 men, 2 of whom are MW.

Two electricians and one fire sprinkler tech are all well above MW.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2017, 11:13 PM
 
1,037 posts, read 565,305 times
Reputation: 301
We individually perform differing tasks on the same day. Enterprises’ executives are generally also citizens, voters, and family member’s. Each task requires them to recognize differing priorities.

Within our society, we do not reward enterprises that pay higher wages; if corporate executives are to serve their own best interests, they must grant consideration to their employer’s best interests.

Purchasers do not base their purchasing decisions upon which vender or producer pays higher wages.

If THE U.S. Congress fails to provide a minimum wage rate of sufficient purchasing power or does not enable that minimum rate’s purchasing power to stay abreast with the U.S. dollar’s value, it’s unreasonable to fault corporation or consumers for the failures due to U.S. voters’ indifference or ignorance.
USA has often benefited from better government than we voters deserved, but we’ve never had worse than we deserve.
Posters to this forum that fault corporations or consumers for the failings of our economy are wrong.

People that are greatly disturbed by accusations of a foreign government attempting to intervene within our domestic politics are concerned for the wrong reasons. Foreign intervention is not a primary problem. A primary concern is USA voters that do not think for themselves and without question accept what’s said or written by others they perceive to be creditable.

When being consoled by a lawyer or a doctor, you may reasonably consider depending upon their technical expertise but only you know, (or you should know) what your own personal priorities are. You can and should consider the viewpoints of others, but if you fail to think for yourself, you’ll suffer the consequences for what others believed should be your personal priorities.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2017, 10:15 AM
 
12,404 posts, read 9,233,027 times
Reputation: 8868
Quote:
Originally Posted by hitpausebutton2 View Post
Im all for what we earn is what we keep speech. But min wage was also to put in place as barrier that a single person can live on basic housing. The side affect is, you can still live on the min basics of life then you run into thing we call bills. Landlord can jack up you rent for any reason they see fit, utilities goes up every month, gas prices flux, working hours can be cut short. List can go on and on. Dont start get the education speech as i know tons of kids and adults with masters in the field that can only get hire if they accept min wage entry levels.
Gas prices are sort of irrelevant because minimum wage was never expected to be enough to afford to have a car to begin with. It is a necessities-only deal. No luxuries, not even a car or roommateless housing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2017, 10:19 AM
 
12,404 posts, read 9,233,027 times
Reputation: 8868
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
Who told you that?

There was NEVER an expectation that anyone being paid MW (even with 40 and some OT)
should expect to be able to afford to pay their own way for an independent life.

If all you have is a MW job (eve with 40 and some OT) you should expect to be sharing a home.
If not with blood relatives then with others and a similar ratio of how many will be sharing that
kitchen you use and the toilet that you use and maybe even the bedroom that you use too.

You'll net most of $1000 a month which on a share basis is enough to eke out a life.
You won't be able to afford kids or any real luxuries though.
I don't consider roommates to be a lack of "independent" living any more than buying food from the same store as other people is. We all split the costs of some things in effect, by this logic, none of us live "independently".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
26,917 posts, read 58,068,998 times
Reputation: 29373
Quote:
Originally Posted by ncole1 View Post
I don't consider roommates to be a lack of "independent" living...
That's okay... you can make up your own definitions for all sorts of things.

I'll stick with Websters etc.
Look up independent in a dictionary and apply that to lifestyle and budgeting.

Do you CHOOSE to have a housemate or is it required in order to allow for the other
ten things that their share toward rent etc wouldn't otherwise be affordable.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2017, 01:20 PM
 
12,404 posts, read 9,233,027 times
Reputation: 8868
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRational View Post
That's okay... you can make up your own definitions for all sorts of things.

I'll stick with Websters etc.
Look up independent in a dictionary and apply that to lifestyle and budgeting.

Do you CHOOSE to have a housemate or is it required in order to allow for the other
ten things that their share toward rent etc wouldn't otherwise be affordable.
Do you CHOOSE to buy food from a store that also sells to other people? How much would your food cost if you had to pay all the expenses of the local grocer BY YOURSELF?

Explain how this is any different from shared housing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2017, 01:45 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
28,481 posts, read 50,784,831 times
Reputation: 28802
Minimum wages should be state and local level based on cost of living. If federal, it should be based on the lowest cost areas. Why should the minimum wage be the same in San Francisco, Seattle and Memphis Tennessee?

San Francisco Average rent is $3,458

Seattle average rent is $1,628

Memphis average rent is $805
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top