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Old 02-02-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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I have no issue with border walls, fences, moats, or whatever. It's just a matter of whether it will do anything or not. I don't know enough about our southern border to know how effective it would be. I do know people coming in legally and not leaving when they should is probably a bigger issue yet mass deportations are being fought against as hard as the border wall is.
And how do you think you should go about deciding if it will "do anything or not"? Don't you think a border patrol agent actually working on the border might know a bit more firsthand versus an immigration activist? Don't you think a good place to start would be looking at the sections where a wall/fence has been erected or strengthened to see if illegal crossings there have changed?

 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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We don't need "comprehensive immigration reform". The only thing "broken" is that we have not strictly enforced our existing immigration laws. Save the buzzwords.
Here's a new buzzword: TREF. It stands for Total and Ridiculously Expensive Failure. Which is what our current sham of an immigration system is. It is plainly in need of comprehensive reform, which is what it will eventually get simply because there is no other option than that.

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A million people already cross the border daily to work and shop. The mechanism is already there for people who have been vetted and authorized.
And such vetting and authorizing has rather obviously been GROSSLY INADEQUATE for decades. Which is a primary source of our problems.
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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And how do you think you should go about deciding if it will "do anything or not"? Don't you think a border patrol agent actually working on the border might know a bit more firsthand versus an immigration activist? Don't you think a good place to start would be looking at the sections where a wall/fence has been erected or strengthened to see if illegal crossings there have changed?
Actually the issue with checking in areas in which there are walls or fences already to see if captures have changed ignores a couple of factors. The first is if the flow of immigrants decreased at all or if they just moved to different crossing points. And if immigrant flows decreased was it because of the wall or other factors entirely unrelated to the wall. Those have to be factored in if you are going to be honest about the study and results
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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Here's a new buzzword: TREF. It stands for Total and Ridiculously Expensive Failure. Which is what our current sham of an immigration system is. It is plainly in need of comprehensive reform, which is what it will eventually get simply because there is no other option than that.


And such vetting and authorizing has rather obviously been GROSSLY INADEQUATE for decades. Which is a primary source of our problems.
What it needs is a wall and strict enforcement.
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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Actually the issue with checking in areas in which there are walls or fences already to see if captures have changed ignores a couple of factors. The first is if the flow of immigrants decreased at all or if they just moved to different crossing points. And if immigrant flows decreased was it because of the wall or other factors entirely unrelated to the wall. Those have to be factored in if you are going to be honest about the study and results
We can agree on that.
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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What it needs is a wall and strict enforcement.

No the CBP wants multiple walls not a wall as has already been pointed out. If you don't want it called a ban you shouldn't call it a ban yourself
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:14 AM
 
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What it needs is a wall and strict enforcement.
That's just a call for more TREF.
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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No the CBP wants multiple walls not a wall as has already been pointed out. If you don't want it called a ban you shouldn't call it a ban yourself
Ban? Is that a typo? Who said anything about a ban?
 
Old 02-02-2017, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Here's a new buzzword: TREF. It stands for Total and Ridiculously Expensive Failure.
TREF = Trump's Wall
 
Old 02-02-2017, 12:06 PM
 
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Can you provide anything that says they would not be? Goods are based on supply and demand. If you have supply drying up on one end, more people will jump in the market to meet that supply. What we import from Mexico can be found elsewhere , and if we have more demand, these alternative places will be willing to deal on the cost, since their export quantity goes up, and they make more money.

The products some people are using as examples are ridiculous, like Beer, for instance. Look at all the Micro Beer Breweries that have jumped up all over the Nation. They would be more than happy to fill that void, and not have the Competition of Mexican Beer. Mexico has no bargaining chips in this Game. Face it. They are on the short end of the stick. Mexico also stands to lose what Companies are there from the US now, and they need every job they have, so they only have an option of cutting off their noses to spite their face.
This is already happening even while Mexico is still importing beer. Price is not affecting the demand of those special craft breweries. This seems to be wishful thinking on your part.
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