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Old 06-19-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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It existed for the white, American male.
Nonsense. It existed for a select few white, American males. The vast majority suffer from the same inequities as everyone else.

 
Old 06-19-2017, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA, USA
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You can quibble about the conclusions as much as you want, but the fact is that it's not that long ago that heads of corporations were not paid millions a year, ordinary workers were paid a living wage, and our national economy was extremely prosperous. I suspect that most of your so-called "redistributors" would be satisfied with the levels of income distribution and tax burden that we all suffered so terribly under in the 1950's.
Also, it did not cost a fortune to attend college, and one did not need insurance to go to the doctor or dentist, and drugs costs did not equal mortgage payments for a single pill. Now, a single episode of a dread disease will bankrupt the average person who has no health insurance.

In the "good old days," hoodlums were sent to reform school, no one "did" drugs, and young ladies who got pregnant were sent to live with an aunt for a while. Some people did not go to college, but were able to get apprenticeships at vo-tech high schools.

The downside of these "good old days" is that there was considerable prejudice against minorities, and working women were not expected to marry. It was a (white) man's world....

The music was great, though......
 
Old 06-20-2017, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Babble? You might want to search up in an event called world war 2. Who set up the imf, world bank, UN, wto? Who took over as the worlds reserve currency? Who was able to take British secrets in exchange for radar against uboats? Who was able to take German scientific secrets? What country other than the United States had an untouched industrial capacity? Russia? JPN? Germany? England? Lol...

Who in 1971, because of strategic partners in world war 2 victory zones (Japan and Europe) was allowed to leave the gold standard (to fight those evil reds as the leader of the free world!!!)and eventually have the u.s dollar float as the new "gold" and be backed by opecs oil reserves. A Commodity far more valuable , and more essential to modern economies and militaries?

Other than controlling every political, economic, and military organization by veto power, sure. It's all babble.

The United States was basically handed the crumbling British empire after they were bled to death after 2 world wars and ran with it on steroids.

With a navy unchallenged on the sea, which is historically the way to maritime trade and wealth. A country defensible from 2 oceans and nuclear weapons, with the ability to print fiat currency (rather than set up colonies like Britain)in exchange for the world's real resources and labor. They don't call it the almighty dollar for nothing.


No no let's live in pub911 land where it was all because Americans are exceptional and eat apple pies! We're able to consume 25 percent of the worlds resouces with 3 percent of world population just....because we're that star spangled awesome.
We actually have 5% of the world's population. Other than that one lapse in accuracy, your post was amazingly awesome and is quoted in its entirety because of that.

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Old 06-20-2017, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Just how would you go about implementing your ideas?
You might be right about a few Trillion of that wealth. By my calculations there's about 20 more Trillion that exist in a more... ... liquid state. We want it. We need it actually. Unless you know about another Earth like planet to flee to when this one bites the dust you will share some of that loot now while there is still something left of Civilization. In today's money Howard Hughes would be a billionaire, but they found him living (dead actually) like a homeless derelict. If you are only paying alternative minimum tax you are a modern Howard Hughes and the country (and by extension the planet) is the worse for your being here. Be ashamed.
 
Old 06-20-2017, 05:05 AM
 
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We actually have 5% of the world's population. Other than that one lapse in accuracy, your post was amazingly awesome and is quoted in its entirety because of that.
There were actually many lapses in accuracy and many excesses in nationalistic emotionalism. Those who do not know history or the forces at play behind it must either go to school for a long time to master all that, or instead just make do with a thin gruel of rehash shoddily made up from the whole cloth of a vapid pop-culture mythology. There are more than enough charlatans and demagogues operating out there to make the latter the first choice of many.
 
Old 06-20-2017, 06:18 AM
 
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It's pretty easy to offer those things when your foreign competition was a smoldering ruin or not up and running yet. And you were able to set up every international system to your benefit.

We are not able to replicate that environment. We're trending to a multipolar status like the rest of world history.
With all that vicious competition out there US corporations can afford 10x +++ more expensive corporate brass than elsewhere. Actually pay gap mushroomed as foreign competition got more intense. Guess how it's possible?
The pay gap between chief executives of major U.S. firms and their median workers is massive, according to a recent report from career review site Glassdoor, which looked at data from 2014. The average pay ratio of CEO to median worker was 204-to-1, the report found. At the top of the list, four CEOs earn more than 1,000 times the salary of their median worker.
 
Old 06-20-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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There is a problem with redistribution, namely, top 1% kind of wealth is not easily converted into the things bottom 90% needs. Mushrooming wealth inequality is dangerous precisely because faceless society of ours spends all that time, resources and energy serving the needs, wants and whims of the wealth holding minority at the expense of everybody and everything else. We are told that the crumbles we get from the rich feast are so humongous we just should shut up and be greateful, but clearly organizing society around the scraps thrown by the owning class is a very ineficient and rapacious way to live. If humand kind is incapable of anything better than that it has no (non dystopian) future.

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Old 06-20-2017, 06:52 AM
 
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There were actually many lapses in accuracy and many excesses in nationalistic emotionalism. Those who do not know history or the forces at play behind it must either go to school for a long time to master all that, or instead just make do with a thin gruel of rehash shoddily made up from the whole cloth of a vapid pop-culture mythology. There are more than enough charlatans and demagogues operating out there to make the latter the first choice of many.
Which part of it is wrong? Use specifics. In every thread you just show up and tell people they are wrong with no support or evidence and make some irrelevant self righteous comment. Were we not given the German and British scientific knowledge? Did this help economically? Did we not set up, and maintain veto power, in each of the institutions I named? who was the second largest industrial competitor right after the Second World War? Who could challenge the u.s in a maritime capacity? Which part of it is false? "Many lapses in accuracy" where?


The us was already on the path to dominance in the world having overtaken britains economy in the 1890s and World War Two accelerated it into the startosphere. An unheard of position in world history that is slowly waning back to a position of mulipolarity, but still very powerful non the less.

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Old 06-20-2017, 07:42 AM
 
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We're able to consume 25 percent of the worlds resouces with 3 percent of world population just....because we're that star spangled awesome.

Do you have a source for that?
I've been trying to find it.


I remember in the 70s, when I first came upon it. It was 6% of the world's population using up 25% of the world's resources.


I looked it up then, and it was because the US was the center of manufacturing for the planet, and all the energy and materials used in producing goods for overseas consumption was being counted as used by the American people. There was a serious discussion in the academic and business press about what that number really meant.


That number hasn't changed in 40 years, except the percentage of the world's population in the US has changed. Now, since we are importing almost all our manufactured goods, and there is very little additional infrastructure being built, America's consumption of the world's resources is probably closer to to 3-5%, in line with our population.


Please show me wrong, by linking to somewhere that says what numbers were used, where they came from, what the last year reported was, and what methodology they used to interpolate the numbers that had to be calculated. That would be good. Don't bother linking to some blogger who mindlessly repeated something without researching it.
 
Old 06-20-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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U.s population is 4.4 percent of the world. 320 million out of 7.2 billion.

Us GDP is 19.5 trillion out 80 trillion worldwide.
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