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Old 07-05-2017, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Pac. NW
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Bond rates are at historic lows. Stocks are the only game in town other than rental property.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:28 AM
 
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bonds have been seeing very nice capital appreciation . the long treasury bonds and TLT are up almost as much as a balanced fund , gold too. they are up about 6% with a 60/40 mix up about 8%
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Pac. NW
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10 year treasury @ 2.331% yield as of 7:34 PST.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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bonds have been not about interest but about the total return on them .
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Trump has had the same effect on the market Obama had.
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Trump hasn't actually DONE anything that can't be very easily undone by the next president. Executive orders are ephemeral.

What significant economic legislation has been passed?

Maybe there really was 10% of business profit being strangled by environmental regulation enforcement by the EPA but I doubt it. If anything I'd say the economy has acted independently from the president for some time.
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:47 AM
 
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Trump got Gorsuch onto the Supreme Court by changing the rules for confirmation, but otherwise, his great plans have stalled in Congress or been tied up in the courts. No money to build a wall either. The phrase "miserable disgrace and failure" may soon be coming back into fashion.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:05 AM
 
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Purely supply and demand. Bonds are starting to sell off in anticipation of lower or no demand from official sources. There is some tapering going on per the actual purchase figures.

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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The "debt ceiling" has no real-world effect. It's a pretend limit that all administrations simply shuffle and dance around until a new supposed "limit" is established. There would be no effect at all from simply eliminating the debt ceiling.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:29 AM
 
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The "debt ceiling" has no real-world effect. It's a pretend limit that all administrations simply shuffle and dance around until a new supposed "limit" is established. There would be no effect at all from simply eliminating the debt ceiling.
The post was about the real world where a debt ceiling law exists, not some imaginary one which you conjured without one. Your proposal to eliminate the debt ceiling has no bearing on the current situation.

There is essentially a shrinking supply of sovereign debt available to the markets. It's exacerbated when there's no net debt issuance in the US. The catch-up issuance after the debt ceiling is renewed creates a temporary surge in supply. That is really it in a nutshell.

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