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Old 07-06-2017, 12:16 PM
 
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Bond rates are at historic lows. Stocks are the only game in town other than rental property.
This is also a reason why some crypto currencies (alternatives to bitcoin) have increased 3000% this year. People have money to invest, but bond rates are low and stocks have a very high Price/Earning ratio. People are looking for alternatives wherever they can.
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Old 07-06-2017, 04:57 PM
 
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There is essentially a shrinking supply of sovereign debt available to the markets. It's exacerbated when there's no net debt issuance in the US. The catch-up issuance after the debt ceiling is renewed creates a temporary surge in supply. That is really it in a nutshell.
The debt limit song and dance is effectively done by selling selected existing trust fund assets, then replacing them with IOU's not subject to the debt limit. It's just a shuck and jive asset swap that has no real world effect at all. In the end, the debt limit gets raised and the whole song-and-dance gets played out in reverse.

The debt limit is actually a limit in name only. Nothing material would be different if it were simply legislated out of existence.
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Old 07-06-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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Because obama isn't giving America away anymore !
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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Because obama isn't giving America away anymore !
Now it''s Trump giving it away - to big business, the wealthy, oh and Russia.
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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Now it''s Trump giving it away - to big business, the wealthy, oh and Russia.
No, the rest of the sane world is investing in America again !
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:11 PM
 
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The debt limit song and dance is effectively done by selling selected existing trust fund assets, then replacing them with IOU's not subject to the debt limit. It's just a shuck and jive asset swap that has no real world effect at all. In the end, the debt limit gets raised and the whole song-and-dance gets played out in reverse.

The debt limit is actually a limit in name only. Nothing material would be different if it were simply legislated out of existence.
You're confused. Temporary measures to avoid issuing new debt are just that. After the cash borrowed as part of the special measures is spent, they would have to shut down parts of the government until the Treasury is authorized to borrow money. The country has been through it several times in recent history.

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Old 07-06-2017, 10:54 PM
 
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Now it''s Trump giving it away - to big business, the wealthy, oh and Russia.
We still believe the fake news about Russia. I thought 3 CNN reporters were fired already.
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Old 07-07-2017, 05:30 AM
 
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A little perspective on the DOW, the DOW crossed 21,000 about Mar 1 2017 (4 months ago), it hasn't made any headway since. Most look at what the DOW has done in the last week or day and don't look at the history. So saying the DOW was skyrocketing is incorrect.

Back in 1999, I remember everyone so excited about 10,000 and all the news stories that there was nothing to stop it and the next stop was DOW 20,000 by the end of that year. Keep in mind that the DOW crossed 10,000 17 years ago.
and remember then, everyone said it was going to adjust any day? I do not remember anyone saying it would hit 20,000 by the end of that year. You must read different predictions than I do or have a much better memory. I think the market is doing quite well overall right now. Well, yesterday might not have been a great day. I didn't check it out, but I do know hubby cashed in a couple of pretty worthless stocks we have been holding to pay for our upcoming cruise. One of them had a bad day and at one point the market was down quite a bit.
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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You're confused. Temporary measures to avoid issuing new debt are just that. After the cash borrowed as part of the special measures is spent, they would have to shut down parts of the government until the Treasury is authorized to borrow money. The country has been through it several times in recent history.
Name one. And of course, temporary measures do not avoid the issuance of new debt. They avoid the issuance of new debt that is subject to the debt limit.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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