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Old 07-08-2017, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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<>seriously, you could train a dog or monkey to do this.
not my monkey!

 
Old 07-08-2017, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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I believe the recent claim was actually made re "toddlers," not "children". Why did you try to swap the term out like that?
Toddlers are children.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Toddlers are not children, low-wage labor is a commodity, wages are not based on something called "value creation."
Do you know what a toddler is? A toddler IS a child.

Here's some help from those Merriam Webster guys:

Definition of toddler
: one that toddles; especially : a young child
 
Old 07-08-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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My point was it's UNSKILLED labor. It does have a basis in reality. Literally anyone who can see can easily use a tablet. Toddlers use them every single day to play games. They recognize shapes and images. They can recognize a hamburger and fries then push the screen. You could also train a dog or monkey to do this. Heck, the gorilla at the zoo picked the little boy's pants up on him because they were falling down. None of this takes any sort of skill...just a few brain cells.
Accurate. This is why it pays minimum wage, as it requires minimum skill.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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B) We are going to need to address the fate of a large number of unemployable (economically useless) people eventually, and the sooner we address it and get with the program, the better.
Perhaps taking in fewer people to the USA would help. We have a big enough population as it is, already, with not enough jobs to go around.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 01:23 PM
 
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Perhaps taking in fewer people to the USA would help. We have a big enough population as it is, already, with not enough jobs to go around.
Bingo. Plus millions of them will add real skills as they realize there is no getting by at unskilled jobs.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Perhaps taking in fewer people to the USA would help. We have a big enough population as it is, already, with not enough jobs to go around.
Illegal immigration and offshoring of low skill manufacturing have definitely impacted the low skilled labor market. But simply having "fewer people" wouldn't improve the employment situation.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 03:25 PM
 
Location: City of the Angels
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One day the teens that are jobless will get sick and tired of not having any money or jobs and get back at the machines that took their jobs away.
Can you imagine creating an order loop where you order a meal and just leave without paying. I imagine the food will just get stacked up as the next order will have to be taken. The games are endless until having to put a human interaction in there to negate the huge cycle of greed.

Costco learned about how screwing humans can backfire in the world of people in their quest for survival versus greed in the business model.
It's all about building trust and machines are just too naïve when it comes to trusting people that you are trying to take their jobs away from.
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"The chain first began trialing self-checkout in 2010 in a handful of stores, and at least one Idaho store showed $60,000 in merchandise loss over a six-month period—attributed entirely to the self-checkout system."


Costco Kills Self-Checkout In The Name Of Efficiency
 
Old 07-08-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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One day the teens that are jobless will get sick and tired of not having any money or jobs and get back at the machines that took their jobs away.
Can you imagine creating an order loop where you order a meal and just leave without paying<>
That may happen, but your puzzle ends when the last step to enter an order is to scan your card.
Gaming the self checkout is a well established means of retail theft, easily solved with video and police, if the store so chooses.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 04:03 PM
 
Location: City of the Angels
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That may happen, but your puzzle ends when the last step to enter an order is to scan your card.
Gaming the self checkout is a well established means of retail theft, easily solved with video and police, if the store so chooses.

If you walk away you are not committing a crime, you're just using up the clock for it to take a lot of orders. Basically, you're sandbagging the system so no orders are taken and no money is being taken.
So far, that's not a crime to change your mind and cancel an order. If you get 15 in a row by some disenchanted teenagers with an axe to grind, I guess the cops could charge them with loitering.


Realistically though, Brick and Mortar crimes are beginning to be old fashioned as the real money to be made is in the cyber world.
I'm thinking of the use of using a digital currency that may look like a dollar but is actually worthless since so many of these automatic cashiers use other things then paper dollars and metal coins.
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