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Old 07-19-2017, 06:25 PM
 
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These numbers are meaningless.

Some states, SD, ND, OK, NM, MS, have large Native American populations living on reservations for which the federal government is treaty obliged to provide healthcare, underwrites tribal police and courts.

Other states, TX, OK, NM, GA, KS have large illegal immigrant populations who have children entitled by birth to US citizen benefits.
California has large populations of both. Not an excuse.

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Other states have a low cost of living that inherently encourages people who are on SNAP or disability not to move away and perpetuate the cycle.

Show me an apples to apples comparison of working stiff people across state lines and I will consider the implication of federal aid to states.
You've admitted that these state's have higher percentages of people living off the dole than California. This actually helps that poster's argument.
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Old 07-20-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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You've admitted that these state's have higher percentages of people living off the dole than California.
California has the most people by far, so it also has the largest number of people living off the dole by far. Not sure percentage wise if it's the greatest, but seems like this is a case where raw numbers matter the most. California also has native american land (seriously? that's an argument? that the US gov't is spending huge money on Native Americans?LOL) and many large military bases, yet it still sends money back to the Feds.
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Old 07-20-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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California has the most people by far, so it also has the largest number of people living off the dole by far. Not sure percentage wise if it's the greatest, but seems like this is a case where raw numbers matter the most. California also has native american land (seriously? that's an argument? that the US gov't is spending huge money on Native Americans?LOL) and many large military bases, yet it still sends money back to the Feds.
Hey, don't quote me. Quote the poster I quoted. I know all of this.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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Some peculiar ideas about "ownership" there.
* Apple: 0.03% held by insiders; 60.2% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* Exxon Mobil: 0.13% held by insiders; 50.1% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* McKesson: 0.29% held by insiders; 86.5% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* UnitedHealth: 1.62% held by insiders; 89.6% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* CVS Health: 0.23% held by insiders; 85.1% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* GM: 4.66% held by insiders; 76.5% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* AT&T: 0.05% held by insiders; 46.7% held by mutual funds & institutional investors

and the list goes on and on.

Even at such powerful companies such as JP Morgan (JPM), CEO Jamie Dimon owns 1,087,730 shares. Over a million shares. At the same time, Vanguard Group of mutual funds owns over 246,169,939 shares. Over 246 million shares. And, of course, Vanguard Group's investors are primarily retail investors as part of their nestegg and 401(k)s.
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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* Apple: 0.03% held by insiders; 60.2% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* Exxon Mobil: 0.13% held by insiders; 50.1% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* McKesson: 0.29% held by insiders; 86.5% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* UnitedHealth: 1.62% held by insiders; 89.6% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* CVS Health: 0.23% held by insiders; 85.1% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* GM: 4.66% held by insiders; 76.5% held by mutual funds & institutional investors
* AT&T: 0.05% held by insiders; 46.7% held by mutual funds & institutional investors

and the list goes on and on.

Even at such powerful companies such as JP Morgan (JPM), CEO Jamie Dimon owns 1,087,730 shares. Over a million shares. At the same time, Vanguard Group of mutual funds owns over 246,169,939 shares. Over 246 million shares. And, of course, Vanguard Group's investors are primarily retail investors as part of their nestegg and 401(k)s.
I wait with bated breath to be told how the shareholders are not the owners.
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Old 07-21-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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The public sector is comprised of governmental entities. Let's try to keep things a little more above board than dismal resort to some series of fallacies of equivocation.
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