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Old 07-27-2017, 05:16 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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We focus too much on the negatives without thinking of the positive possibilities we have
as a nation if we all just work together for a common cause.
Well... if that sort of actual cooperation is somehow possible there are a few other common
cause measures we could take on to reduce the raw tonnage need for these materials.

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And we don't need coffee.
Now you're just talking crazy.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Not a chance. We would run out of crude oil quickly. And we will need that at least 20 years from now. Rubber is another thing we will need. That has never come from within the US. Coffee is another thing. Can we live without it? Yes, but we certainly would not want to.

I could go on and on.
Hawaii and PR could easily expand coffee output.
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Old 07-27-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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I would think our capitalistic society depends on trading partners. Labor will be higher and lower in different markets. Commodities and raw materials will have differing values and quality as well. Different countries have different regulations and somethings simply can no longer be made in the US for environmental reasons.

The US was never self-sufficient. We started out in huge debt…remember the Articles of Confederation? There was a short blip on our history when the nation had no debt between 1835-1836, but state powers and burdens were much greater then. The world changed and the federal government grew in size, power, and revenue.
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Old 07-27-2017, 11:08 AM
 
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I would think our capitalistic society depends on trading partners. Labor will be higher and lower in different markets. Commodities and raw materials will have differing values and quality as well. Different countries have different regulations and somethings simply can no longer be made in the US for environmental reasons.

The US was never self-sufficient. We started out in huge debt…remember the Articles of Confederation? There was a short blip on our history when the nation had no debt between 1835-1836, but state powers and burdens were much greater then. The world changed and the federal government grew in size, power, and revenue.
We can have all the internal debt we want/need and be self-sufficient. Any foreign held debt can always be paid off or simply annulled.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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We could, yes. There would be no advantage (and lots of disadvantages) in doing so.
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Old 07-27-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Not a chance. We would run out of crude oil quickly. And we will need that at least 20 years from now. Rubber is another thing we will need. That has never come from within the US. Coffee is another thing. Can we live without it? Yes, but we certainly would not want to.

I could go on and on.
Everyone always forgets Hawaii is part of the United States. It's even worse for Puerto Rico, Guam and other territories. *sigh* Well, no Kona coffee for you and we'll keep our chocolate too if you're gonna be that way.
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Old 07-27-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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Couldn't consumer electronics and clothing be made here. What's so magical about Chinese from the country side making electronics in Shenzeng and Vietnamese operating automated spinning machines.

Flat panel displays, memory chips and hard drives, should be manufactured in the US. Why give this to another country? What are we making baseball, movies, and corporations who sold out the American worker?

Rare earth metals apparently are not rare and loads are in the US.


Locations of Deposits


Nice maps showing loads of deposits in the US for all kinds of stuff. What we don't have we just have to buy or find a work around.
http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/...ocations-3.png

http://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/...deposits-3.jpg
Consumer electronics and clothes did used to be made here. In the 70's when Sony and Toshiba started making much better TVs (American made was crap for quite a few years, whether electronics or cars) and we started buying them because they were better. Then everyone started making better TV's and then we bought TV's and VCRs from overseas because they were better AND cheaper.


But people are not in a position to pay $1500 for a 19" TV, which is probably what it would cost unless you paid American workers $1.00 or 2.00 an hour. Same with clothes. A pair of Nikes made in Bangladesh is $100 with workers who are making 50 cents an hour how much do you think they would be if you paid the workers even minimum wage here? No one would buy them. You'd have to ban all imports, but even then people just don't have that kind of money for every day products (razor blades $30? Hair dryer $250? Pretty much how it would be) and either would find a way to live without them, or more likely, an underground black market would spring up.
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Old 07-27-2017, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Contrary to popular belief, the US is already one of the most self-sufficient economies in the world (at least, among developed economies, but probably including developing economies as well). Both imports and exports as a % of GDP are pretty low by developed world standards.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:24 AM
 
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Hawaii and PR could easily expand coffee output.
Maybe they could, but they could never produce enough to provide for the entire country. Coffee would cost $30 a pound.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:29 AM
 
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Everyone always forgets Hawaii is part of the United States. It's even worse for Puerto Rico, Guam and other territories. *sigh* Well, no Kona coffee for you and we'll keep our chocolate too if you're gonna be that way.
Cut me some slack, I bought a pineapple at the store the other day (It may have even been from Hawaii)

Anyway, I don't believe those places could provide enough coffee for the entire country. As I replied to the other post, it would cost $30 a pound.
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