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Old 10-09-2017, 08:23 AM
 
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Precisely. Let the patient decide what sort of credentials they are willing to pay for. Competition among training agencies would do a lot to improve service and reduce cost.
And thus we do have NP's, PA's, chiros and other allied HC professionals.

But creating more MD/DO docs in hopes of creating more competition will not lower HC costs. Quite the opposite. Sure there could some beneficial local effects here and there with various specialties, but by and large more docs means more gets done. Prices per encounter don't change, and we have more encounters.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Prices per encounter don't change, and we have more encounters.
$/hr goes down. Doctors in the US make 3x what a doctor makes in Norway or Sweden.
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Old 10-09-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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The reason our economy SUCKS for the last 16 years is because there is no real economic growth. Our economy has been dead since 2001 and no one wants to accept this fact because only small percentage of people understands how economy supposed to work and majority are in La La Land brainwashed by the system, media and our Fed Criminals.

We are supposed to reduce debt from 2001-PRESENT, and we did not. Everything is out of whack because instead of "taking our medicine" (for every infaltion there is a corresponding deflation) we stole money from the future to spend today to avoid deflation.

We have more debt today than we did in 2001, when we were supposed to begin "emptying out". Our economy can't expend and grow normaly or organicaly when we carry so much debt. Huge amount of privately and publicly owned debt is preventing any real economic growth.

We can't have any real economic growth unless we allow deflation to do its job first. Stop dreaming and hoping for a miracle. It won't happen unless we take our real medicine and experience some real pain first. Remember, our economy has been dead since 2001. It's not possible to grow economy unless we destroy bad debt first.

Stop listening to various Con-Men and government shills. One cannot LEAD by promising to avoid pain. Pain is built into the system. Those who promise to lead without pain are followers -promising to give the public what they want, not what they need.
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Old 10-09-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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$/hr goes down. Doctors in the US make 3x what a doctor makes in Norway or Sweden.
Reimbursements are preset by our third parties. Doc just grind away. And since much in medicine in any community at any time is left undone, docs can fairly easily reap more reimbursements in meeting their personal income expectations. It is not simple supply and demand or typical free market competition driving reimbursements, prices and total HC costs.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Spain
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The reason our economy SUCKS for the last 16 years is because there is no real economic growth.
Yet whenever someone points out to you obvious measures of real economic growth you're suddenly dreaming up all sorts of qualifiers and reasons as to why that growth doesn't count.

It's easy to make any claim when evidence to the contrary is simply rejected with hand waving.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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He might be thinking of median income. Which finally climbed back to 2000 levels and then stalled.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:07 PM
 
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Yet whenever someone points out to you obvious measures of real economic growth you're suddenly dreaming up all sorts of qualifiers and reasons as to why that growth doesn't count.

It's easy to make any claim when evidence to the contrary is simply rejected with hand waving.
If you remove all the deficit spending, stimulus and abnormal interest rates (just another form of subsidy) the US economy hasn't been able to generate any real organic growth since 2001. I know, the truth hurts!!!! It's not easy to face the truth and reality. It's much easier to live in La La Land!!!!

But why we don't have real economic growth Lieqiang? Well let me tell you why and pay attention so that you and your friends can learn something, can one day understand basic economic principles. So why? Because Growth is periodical. Growth is NOT perpetual.

The FED has stolen trillions and trillions of dollars from unborn Americans to spend today to try to fake or stimulate Growth that cannot be stimulated until the GROWTH SEASON returns. We waste our unborn grand-children's tax receipts to try to trick the devil and cover-up the fact that real economic growth can't return again unless we allow Deflation to its job first. We have wasted and thrown trillions into the BLACK HOLE pretending it will stimilate GROWTH -- all it really stimulates is prices and more debt, so that our monetary gains of 1983-2001 when we experienced real economic growth won't disappear too fast.
This is a SCAM and THEFT from the future.

Why interest rates should be going up and not down since 2001?
We raise interest rates because;
(1) we want to discourage debt growth after the Business Cycle ends (2001...);
(2) we want to encourage SAVING when the GROWTH CYCLE has ended;
(3) we want lower prices;
(4) we want a periodidically stronger currency.

The Fed did everything wrong since 2001. GROWTH is periodical. What Greenspan, Bernie and Old Yellen did was to do the worst thing they could do in terms of preparing us for new economic growth. They were supposed to raise rates (2001 - PRESENT) to discourage more debt and to drive asset prices down to reasonable levels. Instead they played fertilize the dead crop with easy money. So we have more debt today than we did in 2001, which is a massive failure of understanding.

Remember, our economy has been dead since 2001 and real economic growth can't start unless we go thru Deflation and Depression first, unless we take our real medicine and feel some pain!!!!!!!
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Old 10-11-2017, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Spain
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Yet whenever someone points out to you obvious measures of real economic growth you're suddenly dreaming up all sorts of qualifiers and reasons as to why that growth doesn't count.
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If you remove all the deficit spending, stimulus and abnormal interest rates
Thank you for being so quick to provide a demonstration.



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But why we don't have real economic growth Lieqiang?
Fallacy of faulty premise. This isn't a real question because I don't accept your position that there has been no real economic growth. You believe typing in the same long-winded rant hundreds of times will somehow add (much needed) validity but you are incorrect, it does not.

I confess it is a bit amusing to imagine you carefully deciding which section gets the magical red highlighting this time around.
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Old 10-11-2017, 03:53 PM
 
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Thank you for being so quick to provide a demonstration.




Fallacy of faulty premise. This isn't a real question because I don't accept your position that there has been no real economic growth. You believe typing in the same long-winded rant hundreds of times will somehow add (much needed) validity but you are incorrect, it does not.

I confess it is a bit amusing to imagine you carefully deciding which section gets the magical red highlighting this time around.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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C2BP Please put off your magical deflation for another couple of decades so I can be dead before your "economic pain" can be inflicted on most of us except the hyper wealthy that always seem to avoid any real discomfort.
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