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Old 11-13-2017, 07:26 PM
 
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I agree, and we see it all the time in the USA. People act like the services they are use are part of a pure capitialist system, but any services beyond that are evil socialism...

the reality is there are no pure economies, each one is a hybrid, but the USA is getting closer to capitalism and folks are cheering it on even as the end up hungry living in a shack with no route out.
I don't see how the U.S. is getting closer to capitalism with Obamacare, etc.

What the world runs on is a mix of Cartel-ism (large companies that limit competition) and Socialism/Communism (government rules, laws, taxes, etc.). BOTH are enemies of freedom. BOTH work to centralize power and control in fewer and fewer hands.

The capitalism/socialism debate is the wrong debate. We don't have real capitalism with real competition. We have an oil/energy cartel, a banking cartel, a health care cartel, etc. People just don't seem to understand that a private market and a free and competitive market are two totally different things.

 
Old 11-14-2017, 03:21 AM
 
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"Socialism doesn't work" and "they want to take away our guns" are the two biggest straw man fallacies in the history of our country.

I've yet to hear of a single politician or citizen suggest that the US should convert to a true socialist economy/government. I've heard equally as zero people suggest that authorities need to go door to door confiscating any and all guns.

Maybe one day Republicans will vote on matters that actually have the threat of happening.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 04:20 AM
 
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"Socialism doesn't work" and "they want to take away our guns" are the two biggest straw man fallacies in the history of our country.

I've yet to hear of a single politician or citizen suggest that the US should convert to a true socialist economy/government. I've heard equally as zero people suggest that authorities need to go door to door confiscating any and all guns.

Maybe one day Republicans will vote on matters that actually have the threat of happening.
But if you can keep your voters focused on the left hand, you can easily distract them from what the right hand is doing! It works equally well with Republicans and small children.

The funny part is that one of the reasons that the GOP cannot do what they say that they want (smaller government and less spending) is that their own constituents will not stand for their handouts being taken away. If that were not true, we would be looking at a balanced budget for 2018. As it sits we are facing another half trillion in deficit spending. And worse if they pass the new tax plan.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 05:18 AM
 
Location: USA
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The problem with "socialism" is that the people who hate it have no understanding of what it actually is.

Socialism != communism != "taxes must be high" != "paying mah taxes is communist!" as so many on the far right believe.

Socialism: "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Nowhere in that definition does it say that taxes have to be high; many democratic socialist states have higher taxes simply because the PEOPLE there prefer that method to shelling out a comparable amount of money to totally unaccountable corporate interests. Socialism simply means that the people have a stronger say in the economy vs. private interests. Given how Americans like to claim that "we the people" matter so much, you'd think they'd actually support democratic socialism, but they've been successfully brainwashed by big businesses into hating an economic system that would favor their best interests.

So, instead we have to listen to endless ignorant drivel about how socialism is "evil" and "all about high taxes" while at the same time listening to people whine about the run away cost of everything in this nation and how "somebody needs to do something about it." Well, folks - if you'd stop voting against any and all forms of government regulation that might curtain the runaway corporate greed, maybe "somebody" would be able to do "something" about it. Oh, but that would be a form of socialism, so it "must be bad." Ignorance!
 
Old 11-14-2017, 05:25 AM
 
Location: USA
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The majority of American so called capitalists live in rural areas, love the socialistic military system. They complain that their SS check has not increased in years, and love Medicare and Medicaid, or the VA. They never had more than $100K in savings, if that much. They also love to shop at Walmart for goods produced by Communists.
Exactly. Poor, ignorant right-wing suckers are both the biggest haters of "socialism" AND the biggest takers from the current system. The hypocrisy is staggering.

I recall a few years back listening to the right-wing stooges at a Confederate machine shop I worked at mouth off their ignorance about this topic (when they weren't dropping the N-word in casual conversation or saying how "somebody needs to kill those people.") Literally, in the same week, these 2 clowns went off on a rant about how "the president of Wal-mart is a genius and Wal-mart is the greatest thing to happen to American because of the low prices" and "it sucks how there aren't any manufacturing jobs in American anymore." Yes, these dolts were too stupid to make the connection between Wal-mart and places like it vs. the destruction of the US manufacturing sector?! People like that are not smart enough to be having conversations about advanced economic theory if they can't figure out that their house full of nothing but crap made in 3rd world nations might have had some effect on killing American manufacturing jobs.

There is nothing wrong with "socialism," though, like any system, you'll never get a pure form of it, nor is it a magic cure-all. But the current "crony capitalist" system is hardly working for plenty of people, and if voters actually realized what socialism was - the people having more of a say vs. the cartels and unaccountable elite - they'd support it. Sadly, many are still brainwashed into thinking socialism is "the enemy of freedom" - as if unaccountable oligarchies are freedom, lol! - because they still stupidly think totalitarian dictatorships like the USSR are "socialist." They never were, folks... they never were.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 05:36 AM
 
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The problem with 'socialism' is that in 99% of its usage, it does not describe an actual economic system but is merely shorthand for 'any government program I don't like'.

So the same people who see Lenin lurking behind government healthcare are perfectly happy to catch a flight out of their government owned-and-operated airport, who demand yet another supercarrier costing $9,000,000,000 (because having the world's only 11 supercarriers already just isn't enough!) paid for by the public, or who never fail to pick up Sean Hannity's latest tome at the publicly-operated local library after cashing their Social Security check that came in that government delivery service otherwise known as the USPS.

What makes one 'socialism' and other other ones not? The person using 'socialism' as a rhetorical cudgel likes the other ones, so they're magically absolved of being what he doesn't like.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Boston
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there are truly needy, but they are far outnumbered by lazy, unmotivated leeches. Sorry, you need to get a job, or a better job, I'm not paying for you being a sloth. Quit moaning and expecting other people to improve your plight. Grow up, man up.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 07:33 AM
 
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Your guy is a food and travel blogger.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 07:38 AM
 
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A small town works well when the population is under a specific number of people. When you know your neighbors and your neighbors know you, there's a certain accountability expected.
Sounds mush like an HOA, labeled above as a prime example of dreaded SOCIALISM.
 
Old 11-14-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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Actually, the banking cartel runs on debt. The whole current money system is corrupt to the core. Nothing will be fixed until we get rid of the debt based monetary system.
Are you by any chance a food and travel blogger?
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