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Old 12-02-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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Generations ago, our ancestors relocated to the USA in search of a better life. Perhaps the time has come for some people in the USA to relocate to other countries in search of a better life.
Some of them chose to come here given that the alternative was being hanged. White slavery in the US had a long run before the African trade finally came along.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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Several Indentured Servants in my family line in search of a better life...
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Incorrect, the market has and will continue to fulfill the demand. The fact that low income people can't afford housing in optimal areas is just reality of life at work. Right now I'm next to the Tower of London and guess what, poor people cannot afford to live here other than a few granted low income housing paid by others.
Nothing stopping the poor from living in a trailer park along a bus route 10 miles outside the city limits.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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I'm saying the same thing California homeowners said with Prop 13:

Incumbent residents of an area should not be priced out by newcomers.

Nobody has a right to move to an area they cannot afford. People living in an area they can afford should not be priced out by outsiders.
Should those "insiders" benefit from the market value of their properties when they sell?
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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The government failure in California is lousy public transportation, not lack of intervention in the housing market. Housing prices are sky high because it's so congested that people have to pay a huge premium to live close to where they work. If California had 150 mph commuter rail all over the Bay Area and southern California, people could live 100 miles from where they work and still have an acceptable commute.
Inside L.A.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Most of the people I know in California would have lost their homes by now without prop 13. A house bought for a modest sum can suddenly be worth millions during an investment bubble, even tacky little ranch homes on postage stamp lots if the location is right. The taxes on the bubble-valued real estate can be astronomical. Taxing people en masse out of their houses which they legitimately bought and paid for is not a scenario that's compatible with the American philosophy of property rights.
Would you require the homeowners to pay back their subsidies when they sell? You can't both artificially restrict the tax value AND permit the owner to reap a windfall when they sell at market value.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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Nothing stopping the poor from living in a trailer park along a bus route 10 miles outside the city limits.
Unfortunately though, the trailer parks are all going away as the land becomes too valuable for development of new retail, home or condo developments. In this area we have seen 3 of them close up in the last few years, the latest is now a big hotel. The result is what we have now in Seattle.


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Old 12-06-2017, 07:26 PM
 
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The Seattle City Council is a big problem. They cut way back on micro housing and have never allowed most accessory units in single-family areas. Each of those has a major effect. Both are exactly the opposite of their rhetoric about supporting affordability...it's pandering to the nimbys mostly.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:05 AM
 
Location: USA
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There are plenty of good places in the US that are affordable. The OP and others simply refuse to move.
Those places are not exciting or trendy enough for them. But then they complain when they see how much those amenities cost.

If one only has a low wage skillset, good news is you can find low wage jobs virtually everywhere. No need to join the homeless population in SF.
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Old 12-09-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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Are those people sufficiently numerous as to be a significant factor? How many undocumented immigrants are in the county? Would the problem largely resolve if undocumented immigrants left?
Considering that in many areas of the country the laborers building the houses are undocumented immigrants housing construction costs would just go up without them. Not so sure that is going to help you much.
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