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Old 12-20-2017, 07:54 PM
 
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Welfare temporary help for those Americans who are down and out, capped by circumstance, fire, job loss, illness.
And its WORKFARE you are applying for a JOB with Requirements

#1 US Citizens ONLY not anchor babies and Undocumented Aliens

#2 Mandatory drug testing

#3 For the first 30 days 1 Hour per day community Service as determined by Locality & State. Including Weekends & Holidays
This could include job training, sweeping the hall of your assisted living, watching a child, helping the elderly, etc
Anything that makes you an Asset to Your Community.
$6 per hour Single
$7 per hour per person with participating from both husband wife as a family unit
$ per child according to current Welfare regulations

#4 For the next 30 days 2 Hours per day community Service. Focused Job training with an emphasis on a permanent skill.
Again Anything that your community, village, town, values enough to provide compensation.
$6 per hour Single
$7 per hour per person with participating from both husband wife as a family unit
$ per child according to current Welfare regulations

#5 For the next 30 days 3 Hours per day community Service.
$6 per hour Single
$7 per hour per person with participating from both husband wife as a family unit
$ per child according to current Welfare regulations

#6 For the next 30 days Minimum 20 Hours a Week community Service with a Focus on transition to a part time Job
$8 per hour Single
$10 per hour per person with participating from both husband wife as a family unit
$ per child according to current Welfare regulations

#6 For the next 30 days Minimum of a COMBINED 40 Hours a Week community Service with a Focus on transition to a full time Job
$10 Min per hour Single
$15 Min per hour per person with participating from both husband wife as a family unit
$ per child according to current Welfare regulations

#7 For The next 30 days Minimum of a COMBINED 40 Hours a Week Service with the Focus of a full time Job
$15 Min per hour Single Living Wage
$15 Min per hour per person Living Wage with participating from both husband wife as a family unit

There are DOZENS of needs that are not addressed.
Visit the sick, meals to the elderly, help in a day care, pick up your trash in assisted living, etc.
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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So seems our taxes are going to go up for the middle class and down for the rich.. So with that said, lets fix the welfare system. Here is my thoughts on what to do.

Work 20 hour week min job at any location. Get on some program to prevent further births of unattended accidents. Random drug and drink tests. Max you can stay on the welfare system and housing is 2 years. By then you should be able to gain enough experience in the work force to get full time and better housing.

So any ideas on what to do next? Think if you slap some pretty good restrictions on these programs, it will help our economics in jobs.?
Well, first thing we could do is slash salaries for those do-nothings in government and then cut their pensions and health plans as well. That would give us tons of money.

As for the rest, welfare is already temporary. And as for jobs, have you seen what the job situation is for say, northern Maine? It ain't pretty. But *knock knock* most people on welfare already work. A lot of them work full time at minimum wage jobs and still can't afford to put a roof over their heads without welfare or feed themselves without food stamps. Why don't you start putting pressure on some of these billion dollar corporations that keep their money overseas in tax shelters so they don't have to pay taxes and start making them pay decent wages?

They've already tried drug testing those who receive welfare and the number of people found to be abusing drugs was so low it wasn't worth continuing the testing at what it was costing. I thought you wanted to save money, not throw more of it away.

So no, I don't think anything you want to do is going to help because to be honest, there's not a great deal wrong with the welfare system. It's there to help you, too, remember?


"The wealthiest 1 percent of American households own 40 percent of the country's wealth. From 2013, the share of wealth owned by the 1 percent shot up by nearly three percentage points. Wealth owned by the bottom 90 percent, meanwhile, fell over the same period. Today, the top 1 percent of households own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined."

Forget welfare. ↑ That's the real wrong right there. And thanks to the new tax bill, things are only going to get worse. Wait till that "trickle down" starts to (not) take effect and the corporate tax cuts take effect.
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Old 12-20-2017, 08:23 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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The one obvious area where we overspend is military. I would start cutting costs there.
Yes. Our military could be half the size and still the best in the world. Billions and billions of $$
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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Let's talk about each of your points:

1) Work 20 hours per week.
Who watches their kids while they are gone? How do they get transportation to/from said work? Poor people have to solve these types of problems. Primarily, when you add caring for kids to the mix it gets complex. When you say "just figure it out, make it work", the kids always get the short end of that stick which perpetuates the cycle of dependence on the system.

2) Get on some program to prevent further births.
Specifics please?? Forced sterilization would not be tolerated so let's scratch that one. Really the only option here is some incentivization program which if you hate welfare, you'd probably hate that too. The problem with births is that one of the most pleasurable things to do (and cheapest, which helps if you're poor) causes them.

3) Random drug testing.
I'm not against this, but many states have already done this and proven it costs more to perform the tests and administer the programs than is saved. So if you want to do it out of some moral principle, that is fine, just realize it is a net cost.

At the end of the day, you always have to to answer the question, what happens when they "run out"? Do we kick them out on the street? Kick their kids out on the street? What happens then? The kids have close to zero chance of improving their lives at that point. People will definitely steal from people before they allow themselves to starve.

I believe the long term answer is helping people improve their lives. Education is key. Giving people a real shot at improving their lives will give them a chance to get off the system. Unfortunately I think that comes often with more assistance. People with kids need to have affordable childcare options to be able to work or attend school, just as one example.

There will always be some leeches and people with mental illness, addiction, etc. that aren't really able to be saved, but I believe most people want to have a purpose and do well in life and given the opportunity can improve their lives.
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Old 12-20-2017, 09:16 PM
Status: "Living the good retired life." (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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You will never get a single Democrat on board. Not going to happen. Ever.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:04 PM
 
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Not to worry. The GOP will be going after entitlements big time in 2018! Expect all forms of public aid, as well as the ACA and Social Security and Medicare to come under the knife. It is what they have been "promising" for decades.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:29 PM
 
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What they really need to cut is corporate welfare.

The working class pays so much in taxes to be handed over to big corporations in the forms of subsidies and bail-outs.
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:45 PM
 
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Here's some interesting articles on corporate welfare, a much bigger problem that we know politicians will never tackle.


https://www.cato.org/publications/po...federal-budget

https://www.cheatsheet.com/business/...tml/?a=viewall

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...ayer/84917512/
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Old 12-20-2017, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Originally Posted by hitpausebutton2 View Post
So seems our taxes are going to go up for the middle class and down for the rich.. So with that said, lets fix the welfare system. Here is my thoughts on what to do.

Work 20 hour week min job at any location. Get on some program to prevent further births of unattended accidents. Random drug and drink tests. Max you can stay on the welfare system and housing is 2 years. By then you should be able to gain enough experience in the work force to get full time and better housing.

So any ideas on what to do next? Think if you slap some pretty good restrictions on these programs, it will help our economics in jobs.?
Get the rich off of welfare?? that will save the most $$ as there are more rich people on it than the poor, by far. Also make the rich pay their fair share of taxes
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:06 AM
 
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I am pretty sure they can find work.. rather its flipping burgers to wiping butts in a nursing home. Summer time yards that needs to be mowed, ditches that can be dug up.. their are jobs, its not what they want, but it is a job. Vs just selling dope at the corner as you see at every HUD housing projects. You find that most people in these projects have kids with out fathers and or mothers and have many of them. Stop having more kids that we have to keep feeding while you sit your butt. Make a limit on how many can claim, something to keep them from having more kids just to milk the system. If you got money to buy weed or a 40oz. then you got some money to buy dipers.. its a choice.. get high or get some food for the kids.. priorities vs wants. Shut down the program after x amount of time if they can not show proof they are trying to get a job, and they do have vouchers for daycare workers program. Just matter of finding that daycare and the fatherless child mother to get out their and do something for the family. System was put in place to help them get by untill they can find work, like unemployment.. but wasnt designed to be a family tradition to milk it.
Young, healthy people with some hustle in them can always find work. But a lot of people on welfare are (not to pull any punches) not very bright, crazy, drunk or on drugs, or have some other set of problems that make them poor prospects for getting any sort of job.

I'm not a liberal who wants to give away other people's money, but telling people to straighten up and fly right will only help a small percentage of them.
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