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Old 12-28-2017, 05:41 PM
 
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I am sure this is for a single person with no kids..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...Bnb7Kz#image=1

Any thoughts?
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Old 12-28-2017, 06:52 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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I am sure this is for a single person with no kids..
Any thoughts?
Of course but it also requires that they SHARE space.
With 3 or 4 in a house the housing cost per person becomes tolerable.

The same is true for much better paid people too...
when you're in a high COL town and/or are putting money away as you need to.
Share. Lower the $$ per person.
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Old 12-28-2017, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Flint, Michigan!!!


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Old 12-28-2017, 09:20 PM
 
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there are homeless people in every city in the world... you can say anyone can live in any city and make less than minimum wage
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Old 12-29-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Of course but it also requires that they SHARE space.
With 3 or 4 in a house the housing cost per person becomes tolerable.

The same is true for much better paid people too...
when you're in a high COL town and/or are putting money away as you need to.
Share. Lower the $$ per person.
I am thinking they are putting those rent figures in some form. because i doubt you can find a $750 apt in Cali anywhere.. Think they are way off on some of those town..
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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I am sure this is for a single person with no kids..
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...Bnb7Kz#image=1

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Not surprised.

Though, I really doubt Sacramento though. Sacramento is pretty expensive to live in given rents and housing prices there. AFAIK the City of Sacramento hasn't enacted a city-wide minimum wage law that exceeds CA's state law like much of the LA/SF Bay Area has.

Since I live in Phoenix, I am a little biased towards AZ. But it's pretty obvious to see that the two largest cities in Arizona has the most reasonable cost of living given the purchasing power and job markets available. Phoenix has the big boy jobs and plenty of things to do while you can get by with a $600-$800 apartment. Tucson is dirt cheap but the only problem with Tucson is that the economy is generally depressed. There's not much big boy jobs there. But rent is insanely cheap too. Minimum wage in AZ is rising to $12/hr by 2020. It's $10.50 as of Jan 1, 2018. On top of that we have 1 week of PTO (sick time) by law at the state level, so wages are slightly higher if you take into account that benefit.

The other cities on the list are generally in the Midwest and I'm not sure the job situation is great out there. Which is why I'm guessing people have been leaving the Midwest and moving to other states on the West Coast or AZ for better opportunities.
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Not surprised.

Though, I really doubt Sacramento though. Sacramento is pretty expensive to live in given rents and housing prices there. AFAIK the City of Sacramento hasn't enacted a city-wide minimum wage law that exceeds CA's state law like much of the LA/SF Bay Area has.

Since I live in Phoenix, I am a little biased towards AZ. But it's pretty obvious to see that the two largest cities in Arizona has the most reasonable cost of living given the purchasing power and job markets available. Phoenix has the big boy jobs and plenty of things to do while you can get by with $600-$800 apartment. Tucson is dirt cheap but the only problem with Tucson is that the economy is generally depressed. There's not much big boy jobs there. But rent is insanely cheap too. Minimum wage in AZ is rising to $12/hr by 2020. It's $10.50 as of Jan 1, 2018. On top of that we have 1 week of PTO (sick time) by law at the state level, so wages are slightly higher if you take into account that benefit.
Sac is cheaper than the other large CA cities
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Not surprised.

Though, I really doubt Sacramento though. Sacramento is pretty expensive to live in given rents and housing prices there. AFAIK the City of Sacramento hasn't enacted a city-wide minimum wage law that exceeds CA's state law like much of the LA/SF Bay Area has.

Since I live in Phoenix, I am a little biased towards AZ. But it's pretty obvious to see that the two largest cities in Arizona has the most reasonable cost of living given the purchasing power and job markets available. Phoenix has the big boy jobs and plenty of things to do while you can get by with $600-$800 apartment. Tucson is dirt cheap but the only problem with Tucson is that the economy is generally depressed. There's not much big boy jobs there. But rent is insanely cheap too. Minimum wage in AZ is rising to $12/hr by 2020. It's $10.50 as of Jan 1, 2018. On top of that we have 1 week of PTO (sick time) by law at the state level, so wages are slightly higher if you take into account that benefit.
Nice to have a town with well paying jobs and COL is inline with the pay. Were you got other places that wants the max they can get just because you got a well paying job. Object is find work in a high pay area and live in a low cost town.. may suck you have to drive a hour. but your not getting price gouge for convenience.

Just wish my home town/state had better paying jobs as the COL is decent enough to support $15+ a hour jobs, just nobody wants to pay it, or get a employer to come in and produce something in that range. We had HP and Dell, but they got ran out of the state due to tax increase that was not part of the package.
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Old 12-29-2017, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Nice to have a town with well paying jobs and COL is inline with the pay. Were you got other places that wants the max they can get just because you got a well paying job. Object is find work in a high pay area and live in a low cost town.. may suck you have to drive a hour. but your not getting price gouge for convenience.

Just wish my home town/state had better paying jobs as the COL is decent enough to support $15+ a hour jobs, just nobody wants to pay it, or get a employer to come in and produce something in that range. We had HP and Dell, but they got ran out of the state due to tax increase that was not part of the package.
I think it has to do with a job market/talent pool thing to be honest. Tax incentives can only go so far, if you want to bring in a tech player, you have to have infrastructure to support their business for the long term. Have to have plenty of tech workers and a large university with ample financial support to keep churning out grads to fill their positions.

Luckily I think Phoenix hits the sweet spot as it's business friendly (tax friendly), cost of living is very reasonable, and the talent pool is here and growing with the right supporting universities (ASU/UA). This sweet spot is also attracting plenty of new residents to the area also.
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Old 12-29-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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I think it has to do with a job market/talent pool thing to be honest. Tax incentives can only go so far, if you want to bring in a tech player, you have to have infrastructure to support their business for the long term. Have to have plenty of tech workers and a large university with ample financial support to keep churning out grads to fill their positions.

Luckily I think Phoenix hits the sweet spot as it's business friendly (tax friendly), cost of living is very reasonable, and the talent pool is here and growing with the right supporting universities (ASU/UA). This sweet spot is also attracting plenty of new residents to the area also.
Well we thought it was the talent, as they wanted 500 people to open, instead they got 300. Just they didn't want to pay anything above 10 bucks. The area they are in was high COL so they needed to pay around 15$ at min to even support the low end apt complex. We have Arkansas State, and lot of other collages that produce enough talent to meet the need, just they couldn't meet the pay to survive in the area. So they lasted about 2 years, just long enough to get their tax write off, and move their office to austin. HP just closed up shop period after they sold off the OS and pixi phone flop. Arkansas got some good talent, just no what you call big boy jobs.. or any decent tech jobs that produces great talents.
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