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Old 01-11-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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You want to reduce the cost of college, get rid of the athletics and the multi million dollar coaches. They should be institutions of learning, not training facilities for the NFL & NBA.
That's the tip of the iceberg.

Inflation-adjusted, college profs make pretty much the same as they made in 1975. The people in the trenches actually teaching students aren't the cause of the soaring costs, it's everything else. The heavy hitter is all the high paid non-teaching, student services, and administrative positions that didn't exist 40 years ago. You had department chairs who taught, deans of colleges who had a big head count, and the university President who didn't make enormous money.
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Old 01-11-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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...and the university President who didn't make enormous money.
But now like all CEOs tasked with unending growth and stock inflation...
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Old 01-11-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I will toss in two recent articles I found illuminating (and validating of much of my thinking about secondary education these days...)

So much for the value of STEM vs LA...
And guess which shell your future is under, kid...
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Old 01-11-2018, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Dumb. Some schools ARE more rigorous or at least some of their programs are so it makes sense for an employer to know about it. Those schools are not necessarily the most expensive either - it's not a perfect correlation so that muddies the water with your idea.
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Old 01-11-2018, 03:53 PM
 
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Dumb.

UC is around $14,000 year now versus around $9,000 ten years ago.

In what world is a 55% increase in price over 10 years not that much?

As for all these need-based grants and what not... seems just like a way to redistribute wealth as the government sees fit. Why not just charge a million dollars a year tuition? Then give grants ranging from 0 to a million dollars a year based on family wealth, with the vast majority of people receiving $990,000 or more in grants?

It's idiotic.

The government needs to get out of the student loan business. Let banks lend money to students the same way they lend money for any other investment. Does the student have a 3.8 GPA in chemical engineering at a top-tier public school? Shouldn't they be able to get a better interest rate than a 2.3 GPA art student at a private school based on the riskiness of the loan?

For some reason, the government continues to write blank checks to people who have no business taking out loans for their course of study. Imagine if that happened with mortgages.

Oh wait...
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Old 01-11-2018, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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Lol. You do realize the athletic department usually brings in the dough to fund many of the other departments right?? Silly stuff like engineering, IT and business.
Try again...

Myth: College Sports Are a Cash Cow
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Government-backed student loans are certainly fuel to the fire, but I don't see them as a particularly direct cause of rising college costs. That colleges can keep jacking up their tuition and fees and everyone just sort of whines and then sends their kids there anyway has many root causes.

Relatively generous government support for advanced education is a valuable national program for growing new generations of leaders and doers. If some of them end up wiping their ass with a useless, overpriced degree, that alone is not an argument against the concept. It's a percentage game that largely pays off.

But we'd do better by restructuring the concept of secondary education to match the reality that there are better ways to achieve progress than to send hundreds of thousands of mediocre students to expensive schools to claim a job ticket.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:32 PM
 
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While it may be a myth that most college sports are cash cows... big time college football and men's college basketball programs are profitable. Very few other sports are, but Title IX dictates that you gotta have a bunch of wasteful programs with women athletes. Past time for Title IX to go away... and along with it most college athletics.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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While it may be a myth that most college sports are cash cows... big time college football and men's college basketball programs are profitable. Very few other sports are, but Title IX dictates that you gotta have a bunch of wasteful programs with women athletes. Past time for Title IX to go away... and along with it most college athletics.
If only for big time programs with storied histories. And no, doing away with Title IX wouldn't make a dent in most schools budgets.

Questionable that you would zero in on that.
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:36 AM
 
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Also pretty much irrelevant. You might as well say they do building maintenance at a loss.

What's relevant is that sports programs do bupkis for the majority of students. High-profile sports are the main marketing tool of a university - to alums, potential candidates, and all the entities that do funding. And the insane priority they are given has completely distorted upper education.

How can you even compare the two? You do maintenance on a building to make sure it is up to code. You do maintenance to make sure it is safe. You do maintenance to get rid of the old (which is less efficient and wastes more energy) and bring in the new. Sports doesn't make the school safer. Sports add no value to education. I went to a university that did not have a football team. They did not have trouble recruiting students. If universities got rid of sports, students would then focus on what they should be focusing on-which schools can provide a better education and can they afford it, etc.

I would dare to say that most students don't select a university based on athletics. Should we as a society be encouraging students to choose schools based on sports rather than does this school have my program. Is this program reputable? What quality of education will I be receiving?

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