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Old 01-15-2018, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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The minimum wages in the US are already among the highest in the world.
Developed countries.

In most developed countries the MW is set by unions, rather than the government, and the effective MW is ~$20/hr. And in the ones that rely on the government MW, the US has the lowest.
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Old 01-15-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Even in socialized Europe a great many unskilled jobs are not unionized. And look at the table, the US has close to the highest of any other country, now where near the lowest. You have a great argument just no facts to back it up.
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Even in socialized Europe a great many unskilled jobs are not unionized. And look at the table, the US has close to the highest of any other country, now where near the lowest.
Unions set the floor wage though. You don't need 100% union involvement, since it is easy for someone to join a union if they wish.

We saw this with unions in the US. Even though membership was at most ~30% from the late 30s to mid 70s, they had a great effect on non-union wages as well.

Even then, the only *developed* country with a lower MW than the US is Japan. Oh, and Spain.
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Skills are higher than ever and higher than in many developed countries.
So how did this condition come about?
We encouraged their self sufficiency.
It was said that this would cost us a whole lot less than war.

The only real mistake we made was in encouraging OUR no/low workers to procreate.
The outrage over Roe was allowed to get in the way of good common sense policy.

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And why do so many developed countries pay $20+/hr for low skill workers?
You need to show your sources for this one.
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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You need to show your sources for this one.
https://www.investopedia.com/article...imum-wages.asp

Australia's MW is $18.29/hr, Denmark's is ~$16.

Or you could ask how the US was able to pay such high salaries for low skilled jobs back when we had unions.
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Subway canceled the $5 footlong promotion in 2015, but is bringing it back this month to the outrage of franchise owners. Some 400 franchise owners from around the U.S. have signed a petition against bringing back the deal, calling it "unprofitable." McDonald's franchise owners have had similar complaints about the $1 menu, and McDonald's responded by creating the "$1, $2, $3, Dollar Menu."

https://patch.com/washington/seattle/seattle-subway-owner-wont-sell-5-footlongs-citing-labor-costs

There's some of the effects of higher minimum wages.
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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That is exactly the issue. A great many people just want instant success and are not willing to make the effort and take the time to improve their skills and to find jobs and careers that are in demand and will be in demand in the future.


I had some remodeling done on my house. The electrician, the carpenter and the plumber all worked alone and all complained they could not find anyone willing to work as an apprentice and learn the trade. These tradesmen can easily make well over 6 figure incomes but they did not get there overnight by a snap of the fingers. They started as apprentices taking a while to learn the needed skills.


I need to wait a week or two to get an appointment to have my car serviced. When my central A/C died I was happy I had a friend in the business and I was able to get it fixed within a few days. When my refrigerator died, I had a service contract to cover the costs and still had to wait 2 weeks for someone to look at it.


There seem to be a lot of people who want to complain about how unfair life is when they could spend the time and have a really good income and secure future.
You missed the sarcasm part, didn't you?

My point was yours exactly. Skills don't come out of nowhere. They take time to learn and sometimes they take a lot of money to learn. Meantime, do you think people stop eating and paying the bills? They can't, and sometimes that food and those bills need a full time job or even two jobs that leave no time for apprenticeships or learning new skills. It's a Catch-22 and that's why every time I hear someone say people should "just" do something, I want to hit my head against the wall. Life is way more complicated than "just" doing anything.

I agree there should be people applying for apprenticeship positions. Ever tried to be female and apply for them? I tried for a plumber's apprentice. I was laughed out of the room.
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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You missed the sarcasm part, didn't you?

My point was yours exactly. Skills don't come out of nowhere. They take time to learn and sometimes they take a lot of money to learn. Meantime, do you think people stop eating and paying the bills? They can't, and sometimes that food and those bills need a full time job or even two jobs that leave no time for apprenticeships or learning new skills. It's a Catch-22 and that's why every time I hear someone say people should "just" do something, I want to hit my head against the wall. Life is way more complicated than "just" doing anything.

I agree there should be people applying for apprenticeship positions. Ever tried to be female and apply for them? I tried for a plumber's apprentice. I was laughed out of the room.

yep and they keep preaching like school is for everyone and can be done because they done it and walk in 3 feet of snow barefoot.

As for your plumbing job, not sure if its your area, but my sister-in-law is a plumber. Self taught and self educated thanks to the local library. She to got laugh out of school and now helps run a plumber company and those idiots stop laughing now. Good luck and i applaud you for trying it!
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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$20 an hr to work at Target!? Heck, I know s ton of people who would do that instead of their high stress jobs that are paying the same!

Bottom line, wages have not kept up with inflation!
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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With those raises , I see them cutting folks hours to justify those raises . So your full time job just became part-time then will come layoffs as they put more of this money into automation - Self machine checkouts
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