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Old 01-19-2018, 02:50 PM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Originally Posted by LowonLuck View Post
A welfare program of some type will always be necessary. We will never move towards a donation type system as a society.

I have a very ill teenager that has been in and out of the hospital for the last 6 months. She can't go to the local hospital for treatment for her condition. She has to go to a pediatric hospital in a big city, a good hour commute from our house. Parking, gas, food, and lost wages are all a significant cost factor. Her stays are usually a week at a time. That is a week of missing work so I can be with her for the treatments.

No one has offered financial help in any way. People do not give to everyone in need. They pick and choose who to give to and who not to. A welfare program gives to everyone that qualifies based on need. Not who has a better story, or news coverage.
Are you sure there are no organizations in your area to whom you could reach out?

You are being deliberately vague about your daughter's "condition", as is your right, but, for example, there is an organization in New Jersey called the Emmanual Cancer Foundation that helps families of children with cancer with non-medical expenses. Local organizations raise money and make donations to them, and they reach out to the community with stories of specific cases of families and their needs. It was started by a couple who lost their son, Emmanuel, to cancer.

The problem is that some people work those organizations, too. A friend of mine who was going through cancer treatment volunteered to help ECF despite her own illness. They had her bring food to a family in a rough area of a city about half an hour away, which she did. When she met the teenager who was the reason for the care and asked about her health, the girl laughed and said she had been finished with treatment for three years. Then they started calling my friend asking her for laundry detergent and other things. My friend was on public assistance herself.

Does anyone in your community know about your situation? Do you have any connections to organizations or churches or know someone who does? You might have to ask.

 
Old 01-19-2018, 02:54 PM
Status: "Even better than okay" (set 13 days ago)
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I am not one to ask for help. I would much rather have people volunteer to help.

Our first stay was unexpected. It was the 3rd day in and I was desperate for clean clothes. A friend purchased some things and sent a bill. Don't get me wrong, I was grateful that she took the time to go grab me socks and underwear, but if the roles were reversed, I would never have expected her to pay me back. The hospital is in a really bad neighborhood, so going out is not really an option.

Lesson learned now is to take a packed suitcase to every doctors appointment, so we have clean clothes and items needed for hospital stays.
For your daughter's sake, you need to get over your pride. People are not going to leap up and help you if they have no clue that you need it.
 
Old 01-19-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by LowonLuck View Post
No one has offered financial help in any way.
People aren't mind-readers, in spite of what you might believe.

If you need help, you have to actively seek it out.

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What social problems do you think Australia lacks? From http://www.acoss.org.au/wp-content/u...ralia-2016.pdf

"This latest Poverty Report 2016 finds that Australia has failed to reduce the level of overall poverty in our community over the 10 years to 2014, with 13.3% of the population (2.99 million people) living below the poverty line in 2013-14. Alarmingly, there has in fact been a 2 percentage point rise in the number of children living in poverty in the period,now 17.4% (731 300 children)."
Oooops....
 
Old 01-19-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by LowonLuck View Post
A welfare program of some type will always be necessary. We will never move towards a donation type system as a society.

I have a very ill teenager that has been in and out of the hospital for the last 6 months. She can't go to the local hospital for treatment for her condition. She has to go to a pediatric hospital in a big city, a good hour commute from our house. Parking, gas, food, and lost wages are all a significant cost factor. Her stays are usually a week at a time. That is a week of missing work so I can be with her for the treatments.

No one has offered financial help in any way. People do not give to everyone in need. They pick and choose who to give to and who not to. A welfare program gives to everyone that qualifies based on need. Not who has a better story, or news coverage.
You have health care? You get tax breaks at end of year for medical costs.
Also, there are allot of private organizations that support children medical issues.
My daughter had leg perthes, and the Masons/Shriners paid for hospital, therapy, hotel, food and transportation from Charleston to Greenville. None of us are masons etc.. They were at the hospital my wife went to and asked if they could help
 
Old 01-19-2018, 04:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by LowonLuck View Post
A welfare program of some type will always be necessary. We will never move towards a donation type system as a society.

I have a very ill teenager that has been in and out of the hospital for the last 6 months. She can't go to the local hospital for treatment for her condition. She has to go to a pediatric hospital in a big city, a good hour commute from our house. Parking, gas, food, and lost wages are all a significant cost factor. Her stays are usually a week at a time. That is a week of missing work so I can be with her for the treatments.

No one has offered financial help in any way. People do not give to everyone in need. They pick and choose who to give to and who not to. A welfare program gives to everyone that qualifies based on need. Not who has a better story, or news coverage.
I'm sorry that you're in a rough situation but do you really expect people to offer money to you?
 
Old 01-19-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by LowonLuck View Post
A welfare program of some type will always be necessary. We will never move towards a donation type system as a society.
That belief is based on MONEY MADNESS.

Under current money madness, there are only THREE ways to acquire the necessary money tokens.
1) Trade (labor, property)
2) Charity (private, public)
3) Predation (crime, etc)
When a worker loses his job, his property, exhausts private charity, his remaining option appears to be crime. The collectivists argue that the only remedy is public charity.
Really?
Is compulsory charity and expropriation of property by government a remedy or a scourge?
Working for another’s benefit and surrendering property for the benefit of another, under threat, duress, and or coercion, is slavery and thievery in the private sector. Using government does not make it right.

Is the remedy simply a redistribution of “wealth”?

If that’s so, let us end poverty forever. Tomorrow, everyone shall have 22 billion billion quatloos credited to their account. Everyone is equally wealthy. No one “needs” money ever again. No one needs to work nor sell their possessions for money.

GREAT !

But who is going to work, farm, toil, sweat, and strain to produce goods and services, transport them, and sell them? No one needs to work for money. No one needs to sell their possessions for money. Even the starving children are fabulously wealthy.

Looks like civilization will collapse unless people GET BUSY generating a surplus of usable goods and services, equitably trading them, and enjoying that production.
And none of that requires money or its madness, its parasitical usury, collectivism or any other scam foisted upon an ignorant and apathetic people.

If you were trained to believe that to be prosperous you needed to have money, you’re a victim of the world’s greatest propaganda machine that keeps humanity in bondage to the masters of money, and its illusion.

Can you think of a FOURTH way to get a medium of exchange to facilitate trade when barter is insufficient? Don't say it out loud - the MONEY POLICE will spank you.
 
Old 01-19-2018, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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BEFORE SOCIALIST MEDICINE . . .
There was an ‘evil’ conspiracy to provide low cost / free medical care by renunciants of religious orders, who believed in serving mankind. These conspirators competed with well paid commercial private medical care givers and hospitals, often luring away patients by their egregious charitable works and genuine concern - caring for the sick - and not their wallet (or health insurance).

All that was ended, once the socialists gained power, and forced the religious orders to comply with socialist rules, regulations and taxes.

And we all can see how much better things are under glorious socialism.
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Old 01-19-2018, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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That belief is based on MONEY MADNESS.
Really? I'd say you have that backwards.

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Looks like civilization will collapse unless people GET BUSY generating a surplus of usable goods and services, equitably trading them, and enjoying that production.
Yes! Faster! Faster! More! More! Growth-growth-growth, rah rah!

Because, of course, we're all just sitting around expecting handouts from each other these days. And it's all the fault of "money."

 
Old 01-19-2018, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I believe Quietdude was begin facetious.
Why do you think so? Is it that preposterous that the 1% pay some money to provide basic subsistence for the millions they are going to put out of work forever by making every single endeavor that a human being can possibly perform in this life either an automated function, or else then performed by professionals toiling in a realm where the monetary units are only fractions of ours?
 
Old 01-19-2018, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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You are 100% wrong on this. There is no other sustainable future.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
You are correct Quietdude. A Basic Income is a must...
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I believe Quietdude was begin facetious.
It's Quietude, thanks (but you've hit on one of its punnish meanings) and no, I was being as deadly serious as it gets. I don't quite follow or agree with Leise's succeeding comments, but if we have any worthwhile, survivable economic future that does not involve universal basic income, I have been unable to visualize it.

Aftermaths of global catastrophe excepted.

Those who choose to answer by pushing around the worn pieces on the board can save the effort.
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