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Old 01-20-2018, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The world is not going to end. Just talking points so one side can blame the other. Zzzzzzzzz.
This, in a nutshell, is why I find all the complaining (or bragging, depending on what side someone is on) about political topics, the President, etc to be pretty amusing. Things aren't as great or terrible as people make them out to be.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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Depends which side of the table your on.
Fact: all govt contracts continue,the vendor is obligated to continue supplying the govt despite not getting paid. Who saves? The govt.because all funds are withheld and drawing interest daily ! You bet the govt likes that provision.
So cry me a river on how these politicians aren't coming to an agreement...They all agree that 'free' work while garnering interest often benefits the end goal.
As a doc I might not get paid by various gov't agencies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhSoCRUZIM
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Hey, you got yours right. Who gives a **** about anyone else right?

Let's pat ourselves on the back.
I got mine , I worked for it.
Gvmnt takes mine too, they produce nothing.
F the gvmnt toadies.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Boston
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“Liberty, as it is conceived by current opinion, has nothing inherent about it; it is a sort of gift or trust bestowed on the individual by the state pending good behavior.” -- Mary McCarthy

Who would bestow the liberty upon us for good behavior, without the government? Could we expect good behavior, without a government?
God.
The statue of liberty shows the French only have liberty, not freedom granted by God, its made clear in the US Declaration of independence.
There is a huge difference.
Socialist france enjoys liberty at gvmnt discretion, us citizens are guaranteed freedom by invoking God. Not gvmnt.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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The sudden cessation of a huge array of giveaway checks would most definitely be noticed.
There is no sudden cessation of those transfer payments.
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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During nearly every government shutdown (including this one), our elitist elected congressmen and senators continue to get paid, while our military personnel and their families do not get paid. This disgusts me.

So - my son in law who is deployed to the middle east for six months, and his family, will go without during the shutdown while our fatcat politicians continue to line their pockets with our tax dollars. Doesn't anyone else find that sort of disgusting???????

By the way, they always have the option to vote FOR a continuation of pay for the military - but I didn't even hear that option mentioned - did you?
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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EXACTLY. I love how they craft these rules and laws that apply to everyone else but THEM. They also cooked up some special plan so they didn’t have to pay the increased costs with Obamacare. I also love how they never get one thing done and still manage to take the month of August off. I’ve seen some stats that Congress legislates about 133 days per year with a starting salary of about $174k per year. Nice!
Right on. My disgust for our elected officials in Congress is definitely bipartisan.

If anyone wants to let them know what you think about them, start here:

https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials
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Old 01-20-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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The world is not going to end. Just talking points so one side can blame the other. Zzzzzzzzz.
Meanwhile, active duty military personnel and their families do not get paid. They don't generally have tons of extra money or resources laying around to see them through this sort of brouhaha - they just have to deal with it somehow. AND they have to just keep working too. It's disgusting but it's definitely not boring for them.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:02 AM
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I got mine , I worked for it.
Gvmnt takes mine too, they produce nothing.
F the gvmnt toadies.
What separates us from animals is our ability to forecast into the future based on information that we have today.

Forecasts say that as we approach technological singularity, automation will increasingly become more prevalent. Currently, additional pressure exists on human labor capital in what amounts to be labor arbitrage in developing nations.

So, it would be optimal for future generations if US would become more decentralized, as in less reliant on outside influences, which could negatively affect our personal freedoms. If we continue to receive capital influxes in the form of debt purchases, or rely on foreign imports such as crude, we are weakened as a society.

That way, Americans still have the right to choose their future. I think it's selfish to think that the infrastructure that existed for your path to your lifestyle will always be there when the world is getting smaller, more competitive, and more efficient.

Think about in what ways it will negatively affect your current lifestyle if there are tens of millions of unemployable people without anywhere to go roaming around. Don't you think that it will negatively affect your lifestyle? At that point, assuming the US citizens retain the right to vote, there will be essentially two choices. We take care of people in society or we don't.

What choice you take will define your legacy. What legacy do you want to leave behind?

Unfortunately, the only way something like this would pan out is if people can come together and formulate a national agenda, which unfortunately, may require some sacrifices, but will also inspire innovation.

There are positives that come with change as well as negatives. For example, for us to be reliant on something other than foreign fuel, may come at the cost of responsiveness. It is still wiser to be more efficient than responsive in the long run.

Think as if we are on a journey through space and we burn all of our rocket fuel initially. What will we have to get us to our destination? Instead, we should preserve our fuel. You see what Im saying?

And most importantly, it should be done peacefully and willfully. It is our responsibility to the future. Do you not agree?
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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you will care when someone robs you because govt isn't there to stop them
Our police department isn't paid by the federal government. Our city council manages to balance a budget every single year and always provides city services. Perhaps a remedial civics lesson is in order.
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