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Old 01-31-2018, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Why does race have to come up in every discussion when it comes to the poor?
Because race and economic opportunity are dance partners with a full card.

Nearly all sweeping statements about "the poor" apply to people of color, and only incidentally to whites, who are often excused from the claim for transparent reasons. ("Poor bastards... the factory closed down and left them jobless and on w-lf-r-!" "The factory closed 20 years ago, Jeb.")
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Old 01-31-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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Because race and economic opportunity are dance partners with a full card.

Nearly all sweeping statements about "the poor" apply to people of color, and only incidentally to whites, who are often excused from the claim for transparent reasons.
Poor has no race attached to it, people of every color CAN BE and ARE poor, stop making it an issue about race. It's just a cop out to try and shut down any conversation by labeling anyone who disagrees as a "racist". Why do I get the feeling that all these "white privilege" crying people are really concerned with bringing everyone else DOWN instead of trying to improve themselves and move UP?
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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I watched my wife in action with the contractors, she's a pay to get it done right gal.

It's amazing when we need something done HVAC guys, contractors, painters always seem to show up quickly.

She has a phone list a mile long for getting stuff done.

Summer here is hot ... HVAC went out ... everybody in town was bitching about lack of HVAC guys ... my wife's guy showed up in less than three hours... two hours later we had air conditioning again...
I'm like your wife. I have wonderful contractors, and never have a problem getting work done, and done right. I don't question their prices, but I also know from experience that their prices are (what I would consider) fair ones. Everyone is happy at the outcome!
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Poor has no race attached to it, people of every color CAN BE and ARE poor, stop making it an issue about race.
Not entirely correct; Yep; I'm not.

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It's just a cop out to try and shut down any conversation by labeling anyone who disagrees as a "racist".
Wrong. It's the response of those who do understand the close linkage between (perceived) race and economic inequality. And it's usually to someone who thinks they are anything but racist, but spouting pious nonsense that is based in race-biased thinking. You might stop and look how many categories of "poor people" you reference just happen to be largely black or Latino, for example. You can't evade the issue by insisting that you mean "all poor people" when stating something that applies almost exclusively to urban blacks or southern Hispanics.

It is about race - and failure to recognize that is racist by definition.

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Why do I get the feeling that all these "white privilege" crying people are really concerned with bringing everyone else DOWN instead of trying to improve themselves and move UP?
Can't speak for them (and wouldn't want to), but it's all about leveling the playing field a little. That means some will come down while others come up... and right now, it's a tiny fraction who are obscenely "up" while millions and millions are just as obscenely "down." Nobody's after the middle class except the Republicans.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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I'm poor ffs its got nothing to do with laziness. Walk a mile in another persons flip flops
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:41 PM
 
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Not entirely correct; Yep; I'm not.

Wrong. It's the response of those who do understand the close linkage between (perceived) race and economic inequality. And it's usually to someone who thinks they are anything but racist, but spouting pious nonsense that is based in race-biased thinking. You might stop and look how many categories of "poor people" you reference just happen to be largely black or Latino, for example. You can't evade the issue by insisting that you mean "all poor people" when stating something that applies almost exclusively to urban blacks or southern Hispanics.


It is about race - and failure to recognize that is racist by definition.


I like your choice of language, they HAPPEN to be largely black/latino, which you are equating with AUTOMATICALLY being a race issue, which again it is not. That's like saying "the majority of serial killers happen to be men, so it's really a gender issue!"

Can't speak for them (and wouldn't want to), but it's all about leveling the playing field a little. That means some will come down while others come up... and right now, it's a tiny fraction who are obscenely "up" while millions and millions are just as obscenely "down." Nobody's after the middle class except the Republicans.
You cannot "level the playing field" by somehow "making everyone equal" in an economic sense. When I was a kid I used to think "if they'd just give everyone a million dollars nobody would be poor anymore." Well guess what? If everybody has a million dollars, then a million dollars doesn't mean anything and grants you no buying power. Same with the whole idea of raising minimum wage, if everybody gets an equal payraise, everyone is still on an level playing field i.e. nothing has changed.

You want YOUR life to improve? You're going to have to improve it yourself. Quit trying to be a champion "for the people" or trying to make everyone "equal" across every board. Yes, everyone should be treated equally under the law and have all the same rights, and there's lots of problems with the rich people in this country thinking that gives them carte blanche to do as they please, legal or not. But the solution isn't to give everyone a handout in some foolish attempt to "better their lives".

If you don't work for something yourself, you'll never truly appreciate it or the value of money and hard work. Ever wonder why the spoiled rich kid who's parents bought them everything and they don't care about anything? That's why, they never had to work for it, so they'll never appreciate it. Handouts/redistributing wealth DOES NOT WORK as it removes incentive and rewards mediocrity and laziness!

ďThe inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.Ē - Winston Churchill

People look at capitalism as bad because "some people win and some lose". But at least you have a chance to win, with socialism it's not "everybody wins" it's more like "everybody loses". That's my main problem with "poor" people, most have no desire to not be poor, only the desire for everyone else to "see what it's like to be poor".

LET ME SPELL THIS OUT FOR YOU, IF YOU THINK YOUR LIFE SUCKS AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO IMPROVE IT, YOU HAVE NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF!!! DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT IS CALLED "INSANITY" BECAUSE IT DOES NOT WORK!!!
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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I'm poor ffs its got nothing to do with laziness. Walk a mile in another persons flip flops
If it's not laziness to blame then it's poor life choices. But the blame lies with no one but you!!! As I said before, if you don't like your current life, work to change it or shut the hell up!!!

When you say "Walk a mile in another persons flip flops" what you're really saying is "Listen to my problems and how I've rationalized them to NOT be my own fault!"
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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...change it or shut the hell up!!!
Excellent advice; I concur 100%. Applause. Anyone who does not understand the racial underpinnings of economic inequality has no idea what they're talking about and should ****. [S T F U? Really, censorbot?]

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Old 01-31-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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Excellent advice; I concur 100%. Applause. Anyone who does not understand the racial underpinnings of economic inequality has no idea what they're talking about and should ****. [S T F U? Really, censorbot?]

And anyone who thinks it's okay to blame their dissatisfaction with life solely on their race has NO idea what they are talking about, either!
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Old 01-31-2018, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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And anyone who thinks it's okay to blame their dissatisfaction with life solely on their race has NO idea what they are talking about, either!
You just can't get past that misreading, can you? Not one person here, even the loons, has said poverty was solely the cause of race, or vice-versa.

But piously claiming that race has nothing to do with economic imbalance is just too ignorant to listen to.
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