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Old 03-19-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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You agree with yourself. Don't try to put words in other peoples' mouths.
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Islam is screwing itself just with the fact they lose 50% plus of their brain power (females) let alone that many of them are Fundies. Fundies are definitely not creating the great works (in general)...although some of them in the West did introduce important moral concepts which went along with the advances...equality being the largest of them.
This is what I would call putting words in people's mouths, specifically Muslim people's mouths. More specifically, some folks in this thread are conflating Arabian cultural norms with the principals of Islam and Muslims in general, which is why I used the example of conflating Catholicism and Italian food.
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Old 03-22-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs

This is pretty much all you need to know. Bill is a genius.
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Old 05-07-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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The argument can be made that prior to the beginning of the Crusades, Islamic culture set the entire world on a course that we are still somewhat following today. If you regularly deal with math or science, you can ultimately thank a Muslim.
Pretty much the case, although many of the foundations of Islamic scholarship were laid in India, Greece and other civilizations which came before them. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

In a general sense, Christians were too superstitious to advance in the sciences to the extent Islam did....with the possible exception of the naval and military sciences later in the middle ages. Once Islam thrived, many Christians and Jews brought the teaching West to France, England and elsewhere. At some point the major universities started, which spread the word and built on knowledge.

Those in many areas easily accessible often lost generations of knowledge - the burning of the library in Alexandria and the sacking of many civilizations in the continental areas. More defensible places, like England, could build upon the past without going backwards. Of course, their enslavement of large parts of the world for their lifestyle, riches and military was key to their success.

The French Revolution was a watershed event in history - as now equality was added to the basics of English Law and to the science and education which were now fully established.

The USA provided a fairly clean slate with the resources to continue some of these tendencies.

That's my basic take. One must keep in mind that every tree in Europe was burned thousands of years back - for fuel and for smelting metals, building ships, etc.
It was the USA and the conquered world that provided the resources from that point on.

One book I read postulated that ENERGY is the true driver of human innovation and that it effectively fueled our brains to expand and expand. When work is done by machines (water power, wind power, etc.), then the brain is allowed the leisure to think and grow and think of the next big thing.

Those slaving away for bare survival don't have that luxury.

A bigger question and answer(s) at this juncture might be to discuss why Asia will (and, in many cases is already) the place where innovation, hard work, production and the furthering of much of the "Dream" (lifting people out of poverty and allowing a dignified life) is now occurring.
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Old 05-09-2018, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Kansas/China
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I think the foundation for the tech and industry boom in the west the opening up of ideas and doors. Allowing all this new commerce, also allowed for all sorts of new ideas to come in. While the western countries were gaining riches and growing their borders through colonialism, they were also allowing in all sorts of new ideas and they were allowing their people the freedoms to experiment.

Much of the Islamic and Eastern worlds had isolated themselves to protect themselves from empires, which at first as from the various Khans of central Asia, but later the empires of the west. Even the idea of Empire isn’t really western, the first emperors were from central Asia, but the west adopted the idea of Empire, just like many other ideas.

If we move into the modern era, we can see what happens when a country opens up and allows commerce and trading of ideas. Examples are China and the Soviet Union. Of course modern Russia has taken some steps backwards and we can see that in the slowing growth of their economy. China tries to control the freedom of ideas to a certain extent, but they allow and promote so much freedom of commerce, it doesn’t really work and the freedom of ideas is exploding. China is quickly becoming a world leader in automation and robotic engineering, along with manufacturing and architecture, and other various industries.
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Old 05-12-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: The end of the world
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Trying to sum this up not using war as an example.

1. People ( whoever they are ) on purposely created this idea called money.

2. They pumped money into these systems.

3. Sometimes by force. Like ooppps there goes the cookie jar.

4. Now to answer the original question. Because of the gun powder and later gold and oil rush. The economy boomed. Then there was the Car boom in the US shores. You have to understand the FED is a problem.

5. Just to be clear when the FED/IRS was created that slowed down production, and focused on war ( at least in the USA ) to relapse from the great depression. This also produced the super computer which was used to calculate the atomic bomb. Before the computer you had to be Einstein to figure that stuff out.

6. 2001 came along and we have tons of new advancements. The problem is a need to invest into them. Needs like fear, and so forth. Take Organic foods ( very expensive to invest in ).
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Old 05-12-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Trying to sum this up not using war as an example.

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5. Just to be clear when the FED/IRS was created that slowed down production, and focused on war ( at least in the USA ) to relapse from the great depression. This also produced the super computer which was used to calculate the atomic bomb. Before the computer you had to be Einstein to figure that stuff out.

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That's not what I remember. ENIAC & those came after WWII. The Brits worked up precursors to computers to help analyze/crack the German ENIGMA codes, but they were electro-mechanical & ran on paper tapes & settings. Various countries came up with integrating machines (a kind of analog computer, usually mechanically based), often for gunnery, bombs, missiles. These mechanical systems were certainly put to use in working out the mathematical & physics details of atomic fission & weaponry calculations - but they weren't what we'd call supercomputers now.

A. Turing in UK codebreaking had a concept for what we'd recognize as a computer, but the tech just wasn't quite there. But he & the people around him (& the US, Polish & French intelligence) did a lot of good work on cracking the codes repeatedly and successively.
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:15 PM
 
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Knowledge for a great deal of time in Western society was controlled and limited to the greater population. This control was a form of centralized power that leadership had over the people. Once we exited the dark ages the control of education and information became dispersed. We entered a new age of enlighten people that asked why and why not.
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Old 05-17-2018, 04:15 AM
 
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Modern Education, innovation, ideas in Europe came with the growth of Universities. Other parts of the world lagged in education (Engineering, Geography, Chemistry, Medical science, Architecture, Metallurgy to name a few) and innovation.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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Computers had nothing to do with the discoveries surrounding the new elements (Plutonium) and ionizing radiation, etc....

This was largely started along by Curie and then by X-Rays and then the atom was split in Germany in the 1930's. At the time (and even now, physics and science are shared worldwide, so all the other physicists checked out the calculations and, sure enough, they worked out.

It was actually a woman (trivia here - German, but Jewish so moved to Sweden) who did the calcs and confirmed that the Germans had split the Atom and, using Einsteins formula, she (and others) figured out the amount of energy which would be released.
Lise Meitner: Mother of the Atom Bomb - Neatorama

After that it was all experimentation and then "scale".
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Old 05-19-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Honestly as much as I criticize our current banking system it's fractional reserve banking and the ability to get loans that drove much of the technological progress we see today. Banning any form of usury kept us in the dark ages for a long time.. religious superstition and people in power not allowing the advance of science kept us in the dark ages for a long time.. we might have had electricity 1000-1500 years ago if things played out a bit differently.

Most big advances today are done either by companies sitting on tons of cash or startups with the ability to get loans and funding. None of this was possible 2000 years ago or even 500 years ago to the extent it is now.
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