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Old 02-27-2018, 08:03 AM
 
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Public employees used to be paid less. The tradeoff was that they got better benefits and pensions. Now, they are paid more and still have better benefits and pension. Government jobs were for the unambitious, the slightly less competent who still needed a way to make a living.
Maybe that's not because public employees are overpaid, but because private-sector employees have become dramatically underpaid? 30 years of decreasing real wages and all that.
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Old 02-27-2018, 12:36 PM
 
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Public employees used to be paid less. The tradeoff was that they got better benefits and pensions. Now, they are paid more and still have better benefits and pension. Government jobs were for the unambitious, the slightly less competent who still needed a way to make a living.

Geomorphologist probably deserves the obscurity it enjoys. This is a favorite tactic of public employers and employees: make up impressive sounding job titles that imply serious responsibility and deep knowledge when the reality is pencil pushing and daydreaming.
As a powerlineman in Illinois, I can POSITIVELY tell you that the private sector lineman (contractors and utility's) pay FAR more than the public sector lineman. And the benefits are even further apart. There are cities that have had job openings for over a year with no journeylineman taking it (because of the substandard wage and benefits). When the few guys did take the jobs, most quit after a few months and headed back to the. Contractors and utilities.
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Old 02-27-2018, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Public employees used to be paid less. The tradeoff was that they got better benefits and pensions. Now, they are paid more and still have better benefits and pension. Government jobs were for the unambitious, the slightly less competent who still needed a way to make a living.

Geomorphologist probably deserves the obscurity it enjoys. This is a favorite tactic of public employers and employees: make up impressive sounding job titles that imply serious responsibility and deep knowledge when the reality is pencil pushing and daydreaming.
A geomorphologist is essentially an engineer.
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:26 AM
 
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As a powerlineman in Illinois, I can POSITIVELY tell you that the private sector lineman (contractors and utility's) pay FAR more than the public sector lineman. And the benefits are even further apart. There are cities that have had job openings for over a year with no journeylineman taking it (because of the substandard wage and benefits). When the few guys did take the jobs, most quit after a few months and headed back to the. Contractors and utilities.
Its the same in Seattle. Tough to find line workers or cable splicers overall, and they don't want to work for city wages or put up with the politics.
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:34 AM
 
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As a powerlineman in Illinois, I can POSITIVELY tell you that the private sector lineman (contractors and utility's) pay FAR more than the public sector lineman. And the benefits are even further apart. There are cities that have had job openings for over a year with no journeylineman taking it (because of the substandard wage and benefits). When the few guys did take the jobs, most quit after a few months and headed back to the. Contractors and utilities.
Utilities are monopolies. There's some competition but it's mostly in generation. The utility unions have extracted the surplus value of their work, which would go to consumers in competitive industries, and kept it for themselves.

As long as I've been around this has been the case.

My father-in-law worked for a utility. 2nd line supervision. The stories he would tell of his battles with the union over worker performance or lack thereof would fill an encyclopedia.

His brother, a lineman, would take a bucket truck and disappear for days. He was so bad (and drunk usually), other guys wouldn't work with him. Yet all disciplinary action went nowhere because the union stuck up for him. (You can still see this going on today the way teacher unions resist firing incompetent teachers.)

Compare linemen's wages with cable TV installers. Linemen's job are more dangerous but otherwise similar. And, when you watch a pole being replaced, it's always the same: one guy working and two guys watching.
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:43 AM
 
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....... And, when you watch a pole being replaced, it's always the same: one guy working and two guys watching.
I don't think that is at all accurate. I watched a pole being replaced near us. There were 3 vehicles, at least a half dozen workers and it took 2 days.
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Boydton, VA
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Billionaires Take on Public Employees and their Unions....guess they want an even larger slice of the pie....

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Old 02-28-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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Anyone in a public sector job would have to be ******* to opt out of supporting the only organization fighting for them to have retirement and health care.

Just look at the posts here. Every public employee could kiss their pension and health insurance goodbye, not to mention get a pay cut to minimum wage, if these people had their way.
Public sector unions protect the stupid, the incompetent, the lazy, and those with ridiculous degrees. And the "diversity hires".

To say that they "fight" for this and that is also ridiculous. Fight whom? The "Man"? Comrade Redguard, you have aptly named yourself.

Back in the day of the "robber barons", a private company union made some sense. Labor laws were weak then and some workers truly were poorly paid for long hours in often dangerous conditions. Enter OSHA and labor laws and we have seen the massive drop in private union membership percentages.

Enter the stupid public union idea. Who is the owner that sits on the other side of the bargaining table from the public union? Are the taxpayers allowed to sit on that side? No, the managers who are also unionized and employees of the public. Duh, WIN WIN for the public service workers, and LOSE LOSE for the taxpayers. Even if legislators sat on the other side of the table, they are elected and therefore subject to the money politics that unions play.

In my home state here, there has been a blitzkrieg of union adverts on youtube of late. Yup, they are beginning to fear for their place at the feeding trough. Good deal!

But hey, Redguard, keep on coming with those union talking points. I'll start you out here:

1. Without public unions, THE MAN is going to come to your house and throw grandma into the snowbank.
2. Without public unions, THE MAN will force workers to clock in 26 hours a day for 8 days a week.
3. ....
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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....guess they want an even larger slice of the pie....

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Gemstone1
I know. It is disgusting how public sector unions keep trying to take larger and larger pieces of worker wages.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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A geomorphologist is essentially an engineer.
No. A geomorphologist is someone who couldn't hack the math required to be an engineer.

Is true, comrade.



These days a lot of people are running around calling themselves "fluvial geomorphologists" because they spent several thousands of dollars attending training courses to teach them "Natural Channel Design". Yeah, like someone can design a stream channel that will stay in place after a few floods have torn through their design. Some states are getting smart and requiring that licensed Professional Engineers (hydraulic engineers) sign off on these silly designs. Licensed PEs passed the math courses that geomorphologists couldn't. Teak knows his stuff, I kid you not.
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