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Old 04-23-2018, 02:04 AM
 
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"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." -- Cicero circa 55 BC
Thats because getting a good job is a brutal nightmare. Does the govt keep track of how many people simply give up looking for work?
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:10 PM
 
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Thats because getting a good job is a brutal nightmare. Does the govt keep track of how many people simply give up looking for work?
If you are unemployed, then your priority should not be thinking about China.
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Old 04-24-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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Economic warfare is a real thing and can be just as destructive as actual warfare. I dont think it is out of line to respond to economic warfare with physical attacks.

The end game of both forms of warfare is to take scarce resources from your opponent and cause them to suffer, which is what is happening right now. We dress it all up in complex terms and have fancy economic degrees and terms but this situation is actually not complicated and if Trump does not fix it, and I mean really fix it so that bankers, wal street and the mega corps doing get hit hard and the american people get VERY well paying jobs back with employer competiting for labor then people will continue to vote in progressivly more radical politicians who will get the job done.

People, at this point, really dont want ANY trade with China, other than mega corps that are getting filthy rich off of it.
Economics is survival of the fittest. If the USA isn't able to be number one, it is our own fault, not China's. Obviously bombing China is off the table, it will NEVER happen. We can't get away with taking the easy way out. The days of the US being all powerful have already ended. If we feel it is necessary to be the world's greatest economy, we then need to change our own populace. That isn't China's responsibility. In a merit based world, to be the best requires working hardest/smartest. China is outworking us, just look around at many of your fellow Americans. If we want a life of leisure, golf, baseball games, parties, TV, etc etc, and another country's people are working harder, then why wouldn't they warrant greater wealth eventually? Although we may feel we are entitled to more, we are not.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:44 PM
 
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You wouldn't know it by reading the anti_trump coverage, but China is bankrupt. So much so that it can't withstand a trade war. Don't fall for the bravado.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/trad...hoo&yptr=yahoo
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:14 PM
 
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You wouldn't know it by reading the anti_trump coverage, but China is bankrupt. So much so that it can't withstand a trade war. Don't fall for the bravado.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/trad...hoo&yptr=yahoo
China can't go bankrupt in Yuan.
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Old 04-25-2018, 04:25 AM
 
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Economics is survival of the fittest. If the USA isn't able to be number one, it is our own fault, not China's. Obviously bombing China is off the table, it will NEVER happen. We can't get away with taking the easy way out. The days of the US being all powerful have already ended. If we feel it is necessary to be the world's greatest economy, we then need to change our own populace. That isn't China's responsibility. In a merit based world, to be the best requires working hardest/smartest. China is outworking us, just look around at many of your fellow Americans. If we want a life of leisure, golf, baseball games, parties, TV, etc etc, and another country's people are working harder, then why wouldn't they warrant greater wealth eventually? Although we may feel we are entitled to more, we are not.
People don’t want to work their fingers to the bone till they are 80 years old. Economic reasons are why most wars are fought. And no economics is survival of the sniveling weasels not the fittest. Actual war is survival of the fittest. Work hard building a war machine smash your enemy then watch a ball game and enjoy life. Since your enemy will be bombed to dust you won’t be perpetually competing with them till you die leaving your kids to further deal with them

This really isent rocket science .....

I hope your a foreign troll because no person in their right mind would want to leave the enemy at the gates for their kids to deal with.
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Old 04-25-2018, 07:56 AM
 
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People don’t want to work their fingers to the bone till they are 80 years old. .
It doesn't matter what you think people want or don't want. If people are willing to outwork you, then they rightfully deserve to be rewarded for that work.



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And no economics is survival of the sniveling weasels not the fittest. Actual war is survival of the fittest. .
Sorry but you are wrong, and if you are unwilling to work hard, you can expect to be passed up.

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Work hard building a war machine smash your enemy then watch a ball game and enjoy life. Since your enemy will be bombed to dust you won’t be perpetually competing with them till you die leaving your kids to further deal with them

This really isent rocket science .....

I hope your a foreign troll because no person in their right mind would want to leave the enemy at the gates for their kids to deal with.
War/bombing China is not going to happen, it is a fantasy in your mind. Not only would both nations be destroyed, but the planet would be harmed also. China may have already passed the US with it's economy. If it is important for the US to be more powerful economically than we can do things here at home to enable us to compete better. If you can't compete, then step aside, nobody is going to cater to you, and a hissy fit of bombing isn't happening.
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Old 04-25-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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Taiwan was the legitimate govt of China they are the ww2 victors and our ally not China as it is today, and yes it would potentially be a pseudo nuclear war but China is no russia and there nuclear retaliation would be minimal and if they used nukes first they would be bombed into dust never to rise again as a nation.

When the people of America get tired enough of globalism it will happen.
I’m not sure how 300 nuclear missiles is considered “minimal” retaliation. You also assume that Russia would stand by and allow American aggression vs its American counterweight (China). You’re living in a fantasy world if you think the U.s can support a bombing campaign to subjugate China, even with unrestricted total war. This isn’t bombing Iraq. This is a country that poses actual threats to aircraft carriers.

You also apparently don’t understand nuclear war games. What if China nukes in front of a Navy strike force with the message, “the next one won’t miss”. Do we continue to move it forward to bomb a civilian target? If we do, and they follow through on the threat, what do we do? They nuked a military target. Do we have an equivalent high value military target to hit? Do we respond by nuking a Chinese civilian city and escalate? If we do that, are we prepared to go from losing a military unit, to losing Seattle, Los Angelos, and San Francisco?

The United States passed Great Britain economically in the 1890s. Did they sail over here and start a war? No. It’s not even a realistic possibility then or now. Its a multipolar world now, just like the rest of world history. The U.S will remain a dominant player. But it won’t be the only player. That is reality. Hell, it took two world wars for the United States to actually overtake Britain and they still remained a world power.

Assuming there was still a world left, the biggest “winner” in a war between the us and China/Russia would be Europe and countries like Brazil or India.

It’s like dressel’s speech from the sum of all fears.”Hitler was stupid. You don’t fight America and Russia. You get America and Russia to fight each other. And destroy each other”.

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Old 04-25-2018, 07:39 PM
 
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I’m not sure how 300 nuclear missiles is considered “minimal” retaliation. You also assume that Russia would stand by and allow American aggression vs its American counterweight (China). You’re living in a fantasy world if you think the U.s can support a bombing campaign to subjugate China, even with unrestricted total war. This isn’t bombing Iraq. This is a country that poses actual threats to aircraft carriers.

You also apparently don’t understand nuclear war games. What if China nukes in front of a Navy strike force with the message, “the next one won’t miss”. Do we continue to move it forward to bomb a civilian target? If we do, and they follow through on the threat, what do we do? They nuked a military target. Do we have an equivalent high value military target to hit? Do we respond by nuking a Chinese civilian city and escalate? If we do that, are we prepared to go from losing a military unit, to losing Seattle, Los Angelos, and San Francisco?

The United States passed Great Britain economically in the 1890s. Did they sail over here and start a war? No. It’s not even a realistic possibility then or now. Its a multipolar world now, just like the rest of world history. The U.S will remain a dominant player. But it won’t be the only player. That is reality. Hell, it took two world wars for the United States to actually overtake Britain and they still remained a world power.

Assuming there was still a world left, the biggest “winner” in a war between the us and China/Russia would be Europe and countries like Brazil or India.

It’s like dressel’s speech from the sum of all fears.”Hitler was stupid. You don’t fight America and Russia. You get America and Russia to fight each other. And destroy each other”.
This is not how it would play out, China is the most dishonest technically incompetent nation on the earth. They are not taken seriously by the academic community and you grossly overestimate their capabilities.

However even if that were true a full blown embargo would do the trick as well
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Old 04-25-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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This is not how it would play out, China is the most dishonest technically incompetent nation on the earth. They are not taken seriously by the academic community and you grossly overestimate their capabilities.

However even if that were true a full blown embargo would do the trick as well
You could be dishonestly overestimating your own ability to pay next month rent. That'd be a big problem for yourself. Cruise missiles, nuclear warheads, China ...?
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