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Old 04-06-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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You need to study history. The US DID NOT win WWII (at least not alone). In fact, by the time the US joined WWII (Russia had defeated most of Hitler's army already) it was just about over. You can look it up.

"Unfairly or not, the current tensions obscure the scale of what's being commemorated: Starting in 1941, the Soviet Union bore the brunt of the Nazi war machine and played perhaps the most important role in the Allies' defeat of Hitler. By one calculation, for every single American soldier killed fighting the Germans, 80 Soviet soldiers died doing the same."
Read the rest of the article here.
If you do your research you can find plenty of information.


You are absolutely correct! These are a couple of comments I read recently about the situation:

"China will grow soybeans somewhere and become as independent as possible, maybe in Africa or elsewhere, they will grow them. Something tells me that their, China's, silk roads will soon supply them with all they need.

Growing soybeans is a "low" tech problem. Would take a year to fix, and China has plenty of land and manpower to get it done. Where are American farmers going to sell their beans if China bails on them? We are talking massive disruption in the farming world. If China cuts their rare earth element exports, there is no way the US can fix that fast enough to avoid major disruptions in our way of life."

It appears that eventually China could find a replacement but where will US sell all their soybeans?
If you would do your research you would realize Europe was one theater in a global war. Where were the Russians in the Japan/Pacific theater?

China does not have plenty of arable land. They are facing a dire shortage of water and arable land, and suffering from extreme environmental pollution. Throughout their history they have struggled to produce enough food to feed their people and the problem is expected to grow worse.

The market for food products is not going away but the market for cheap tupperware just might.
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Old 04-06-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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I read the entire thing and Im not sure what you are saying it disputes. Do you care to elaborate?
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Old 04-06-2018, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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China doesn't have to dump US debt to harm us, all they have to do is stop selling us rare earth metals which play crucial roles in everything from smart phones to electric car motors, hard drives, wind turbines, military radar, smart bombs, laser guidance, and more..

We depend on them almost 100%
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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The fact remains that we have a massive trade deficit with China.
The trade deficit with China was only $375 Billion in 2017, which is less than 2% of your GDP, and it's unknown how much GDP that $375 Billion generated.

That hardly qualifies as "massive."
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you would do your research you would realize Europe was one theater in a global war. Where were the Russians in the Japan/Pacific theater?
Um, Russia and Japan had entered into a peace treaty in 1931, specifically, a treaty of non-aggression.

Russia never possessed the large number of troop transports and landing craft necessary to invade foreign lands and islands (and still doesn't to this day). In fact, economically speaking, Russia was in no position to build the necessary ships required to assist the US in the Pacific Theater.

On top of that, the Russian navy in WW II had only a couple of battle ships, several cruisers and maybe 4-5 destroyers, which would not be enough to provide protection for troop transports and landing craft. Note that a good part of the Russian navy was also pressed into ground combat duty to defend Russia when Germany first attacked.

You ignore the fact that Russia forced Japan to maintain 27 combat divisions in Mongolia and Manchurian, for fear that Russia might invade.

If those 27 combat divisions were available for use in the South Pacific.....well, the US would not have prevailed so easily.

It wasn't until the Yalta Conference that FDR convinced Stalin to abrogate the non-aggression pact with Japan.

Anyway, the fact that Russia tied up 27 Japanese combat divisions is significant.
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Old 04-06-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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We need not worry about other countries problems - this a BIG DEAL for a large percentage of Americans. Even if they sell some....it adds to the "Trade War" which Trump started and will likely spread worldwide.

There are really only two possibilities here..

1. Trump admits, for the first time in his life, that he is wrong and pulls back all the tariffs until someone who knows what they are doing is in office.

or.

2. Our economy and the world economy will slow down as new tariffs are announced regularly which invite reciprocation.

It's a given that China will "win" this Trade War. But remember, they didn't start it and they don't want one.

The best thing we could do (and should have done) was quietly worked with diplomacy and pressured China to open up some additional markets to American products...and modify some of their rules. That is what negotiation is all about.

You don't "negotiate" by tweet and using the American people as your hostages and human shields.
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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China holds I believe 2 trillion dollars worth of US debt. Almost every media says it's a doomsday if China were to dump its holding in US debt.

Is anyone able to paint a picture of that scenario? Yes we all know price of US debt can plummet and yield can shoot up; I am talking 3,4, or even 10 steps beyond the obvious. What is that doomsday?

I for one, might convert most of my assets to US debt if 30 year Treasury yield goes to say 5-6%. Seems to me it would be a good opportunity to pick up some quality investment...
Instant recession. The yield curve goes inverted. Credit tightens.
Like I said instant recession.
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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I read the entire thing and Im not sure what you are saying it disputes. Do you care to elaborate?
Someone mentioned China could simply get soybeans elsewhere. Its not that easy. South America is reaching the end of their available farmland. China needs a growing anount of soybeans to feed their hogs,chickens and farmed fish.
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:34 PM
 
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Um, Russia and Japan had entered into a peace treaty in 1931, specifically, a treaty of non-aggression.

Russia never possessed the large number of troop transports and landing craft necessary to invade foreign lands and islands (and still doesn't to this day). In fact, economically speaking, Russia was in no position to build the necessary ships required to assist the US in the Pacific Theater.

On top of that, the Russian navy in WW II had only a couple of battle ships, several cruisers and maybe 4-5 destroyers, which would not be enough to provide protection for troop transports and landing craft. Note that a good part of the Russian navy was also pressed into ground combat duty to defend Russia when Germany first attacked.

You ignore the fact that Russia forced Japan to maintain 27 combat divisions in Mongolia and Manchurian, for fear that Russia might invade.

If those 27 combat divisions were available for use in the South Pacific.....well, the US would not have prevailed so easily.

It wasn't until the Yalta Conference that FDR convinced Stalin to abrogate the non-aggression pact with Japan.

Anyway, the fact that Russia tied up 27 Japanese combat divisions is significant.
Those 27 divisions attacking Russia while hitler attacked could have really turned the tide for Germany also....without us keeping Japan busy... how many more would have been available?
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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I operated a small business for thirty years, received orders from many countries in Asia, and yet we never shipped a single order to the PRC, not one. This notion that a trade spat with China will hurt businesses here in the USA is laughable because they don't buy much outside of a few farm commodities or big-ticket things like airplanes.
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