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Old 05-08-2018, 03:44 PM
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Originally Posted by eliza61nyc View Post
now I do agree that we are going to have issues because everyone cannot be a mensa candidate and in this country we don't give a crap about the kid who is a talented artist, writer.

so we're screwed, everyone can't be an engineer and automation is taking over every thing else what's the solution?
Actually I think the people with major talent in the arts are among the ones who will do well in the increasingly-automated future. Entertainment is always in demand, and computers aren't known for their creativity and poetic sensibilities. I don't see truly talented artists being replaced by machines any time soon.

(The trades are also going to do well, as a computer can't replace a broken pipe in my house or replace my furnace when it dies in January.)

The jobs of the future are going to belong to those who are either creative with their hands or creative with their minds. (We may need some form of universal basic income to support those who lack talent in those areas, though.)
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Old 05-08-2018, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jrkliny View Post
There is no doubt about it. Many highly skilled jobs will become obsolete. There is another even bigger issue. Most job requirements will change very substantially requiring workers to maintain continuing education and to learn new skills. This is well known even for areas with very high demand. Engineers need to keep up. That often means going back to school to take courses. At the very minimum it means some formal continuing education. Engineers who do not keep up find themselves replaced by younger more up to date workers. It is easy to blame age discrimination, but often the issue is just knowledge.
Well, that's not new to me. In health care (therapy) we have to have 36 continuing credit hours every 3 years when we renew our professional license. This has been the case in health care for a long time. Teachers have similar requirements, although school districts make it easy by doing much of it in-house.

Even in health care though, we are seeing though requirements in job ads that say "must be proficient" in this or that technology. I graduated back in the dinosaur days when we did everything documentation-related in charts or on our own forms (in triplicate, lol) but have survived the transition to computerized documentation as well as use of ipad mini's for documentation (although I had to buy a keyboard for mine, lol). It is tougher though and it means I often stay late finishing paperwork on my own time, while these kids can type a million words a minute because they've been doing it since they were in diapers.
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Old 05-08-2018, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jrkliny View Post
So you are worried that you will not have skills needed for a good job in the future. Well you vented and you found rich and super rich people to blame. Now what are YOU going to do?
Buckle in and see where the ride goes, I guess. What else is there to do?

I'm 56, hopefully I can finish in my own field and be done with it all before it all comes to pass.

I don't recall blaming anyone at all.
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Old 05-08-2018, 04:13 PM
Location: NJ
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Once we get to the point we can 3D print everything, cheaply, including food, only the robots will need to work and the rest of us can go fishing.
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Old 05-08-2018, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cebuan View Post
What Marx wrote has been there all along, for all the world to see.

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, ( and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism)"
-Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867

Marx had plenty of contemporary warning:

-Rothschild Brothers' of London communiqué to associates in New York June 25, 1863
"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests."

Another half century later, even the US president would be dismayed:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwillingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilied world, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.
-" - Woodrow Wilson regarding the Federal Reserve Act.
I think Das Kapital was by Frederik Engels , wasnt it??

And the most vocal warning was given by Germany after the WWI.
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Old 05-08-2018, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fred44 View Post
Once we get to the point we can 3D print everything, cheaply, including food, only the robots will need to work and the rest of us can go fishing.

How are people going to pay rent, taxes, health insurance, food? You really think the “job creators” are going to give it away free?
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Old 05-08-2018, 08:21 PM
Location: Paranoid State
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About 118 years ago, a bit over 60% of the US population was directly involved with farming, ranching and agriculture. Today, it is less than 4%.

Imagine that you could go back in time to 1900 & tell learned scholars, politicians and farmers that in far-off 2018 less than 4% of the nation's population would be directly involved in agriculture.

Then imagine you asked them, "what do you think all the other people will do for a living?"

Chances are none of them would guess "network engineer," "web designer," "search engine optimization engineer," "industrial robot tech," "radiologist," "professional MMA fighter," "professional football player," "cinematographer," "sound engineer," "microprocessor architect," "telemarketer," "YouTube Star" "water treatment engineer" "photolithography engineer" "nuclear power plant engineer" "HVAC technician" or the like.

We don't know what the future holds -- it is exceedingly difficult to accurately forecast the future (queue the famous forecast that NYC would be 10 feet deep in horse manure by 1960). We do know that by automating more tasks, it frees up people to find better ways to add value to society.
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Old 05-08-2018, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by s1alker View Post
One my friends is an HR officer for the local hospital network. The hospital network had a job posting for a web developer, they received 250 applicants. We have far too many people chasing too few jobs, and even fewer jobs that pay a livable wage. A basic income is going to be needed at some point, or the country will turn into California with tent cities.
It is kind of ironic in that across the board hands on jobs in the trades such as Construction and related has tons of jobs... construction is booming... and that is anything from adding a residential addition to San Francisco High Rise...

Robots didn't build the new East Bay Span of the Bay Bridge... and they are not installing Septic Systems.

I have a friend that is a one man company rooting sewer lines... he has much more work than he can handle... has not advertised in 5 years... his gross last year was 180K and his equipment is about 10k plus his van that he keeps about 6 years plus he couldn't work without his cell phone...
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceece View Post
We put regulations on how much automation is allowed. At least that what I'd do if I were Supreme Ruler Of All Things because I understand humans need a purpose and a challenge and something to do with their minds and bodies. It would pretty much be my goal to make sure we didn't automate ourselves out of existence. And it should be the goal of whoever is running the show.
Unfortunately, the goal is the opposite of the bolded. The goal of those running the show is to enslave humanity from every which way. Capitalism/socialism and all the other "isms" are just used as different tools to enslave people.
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Old 05-09-2018, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dollar psf View Post
On average, the IQ for chronic juvenile offenders is 92, about half a standard deviation below the population mean. For chronic adult offenders, however, the average IQ is 85, 1 standard deviation below the population mean. A study of Texas inmates who entered the prison system in 2002 indicated that approximately 23% of the inmates scored below 80, almost 69% scored between 80 and 109, and only 9.6% scored above 110
The numbers show that a correlation with criminal convictions and low IQ is very weak. The vast majority of inmates had normal or above average IQ. If you look at success you will find the same thing. Higher IQ is weakly correlated with success, but the vast majority of successful people fall into the range of average IQ.

A person with average or above average IQ can end up in jail or become a success. Sadly there is a point where a small percentage of the population is limited by mental retardation. That in no way means that the other 90 plus percent of the population cannot learn and develop knowledge and skills important for the workplace and for living.
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