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Old 05-25-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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OP is getting killed by the public employee club here. LOL. They are afforded sky-high salaries and benefits
HAHAHAHAHA "sky high salaries". Nope, the trade-off is for mediocre salaries, good benefits, and a good pension. You're never gonna get rich working in the public sector unless you're a top level politician, but 99.99999% of government employees aren't even close.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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HAHAHAHAHA "sky high salaries". Nope, the trade-off is for mediocre salaries, good benefits, and a good pension. You're never gonna get rich working in the public sector unless you're a top level politician, but 99.99999% of government employees aren't even close.
Even top level politicians aren’t rich. Obama got rich off his book deals, not being president. That 8 year as president pales in comparison to guys like Mitt Romney, James Comey, Donald Trump who got rich in the private sector before working for the government.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:48 PM
 
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The 95K is what it costs your employer to keep you. It IS the relevant number. Yeah, I know. You didn't want to hear that. The truth sometimes sucks.
yes.. and everyone talking about how pensions are so costly... it WOULD cost $95k/year in salary if they took away the pension.

The total package includes pension and salary, take one away and it goes into the other part of the package.

Government decided that paying part of the package at a later date is better than fronting the entire amount at the moment.

Companies rather pay now than later so they have higher salaries

FYI the people who think they aren't paid well in private sector, what makes them think they would be more successful in public sector?
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:49 AM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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yes.. and everyone talking about how pensions are so costly... it WOULD cost $95k/year in salary if they took away the pension.

The total package includes pension and salary, take one away and it goes into the other part of the package.

Government decided that paying part of the package at a later date is better than fronting the entire amount at the moment.

Companies rather pay now than later so they have higher salaries

FYI the people who think they aren't paid well in private sector, what makes them think they would be more successful in public sector?
What makes them think that is that they have the idea that public sector workers sit around doing nothing all day. They are pretty sure they can do that, probably because that's what they do now.
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Old 05-26-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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yes.. and everyone talking about how pensions are so costly... it WOULD cost $95k/year in salary if they took away the pension.

The total package includes pension and salary, take one away and it goes into the other part of the package.

Government decided that paying part of the package at a later date is better than fronting the entire amount at the moment.

Companies rather pay now than later so they have higher salaries

FYI the people who think they aren't paid well in private sector, what makes them think they would be more successful in public sector?
As I've said, for the most part, public sector salaries are not lower than what they are in the private sector. That used to be true. It isn't any more. Of course, I speak in generalities. There will always be some exceptions.

Your last point is well taken.

I do concede some of the people complaining are jealous whiners. But on the whole, I think the taxpayers have a legitimate gripe about pension costs that government workers are in denial about. As I already said, I'm not talking about federal government workers. Their pensions are decent but not overly generous.

But that's not the case with many state & local pension benefit formulas. Many of these pension benefits were increased right before Baby Boomers were about to retire, and with no public input. God knows, I rarely agree with San Francisco's politics, but SF was smart in that it didn't allow increases in pension benefits without voter approval--so no last minute pension benefit increases a few years before a wave of Baby Boomers were set to retire. And gee, guess what? Its pension plan, while not quite rock solid, is in pretty good financial shape and its recently upgraded AAA bond rating (the highest possible) is a reflection of that (as well as SF being solid in other financial metrics across the board). That's how it should be.

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Old 05-28-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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If California is like it is here in New York, teachers are about the only public employees who actually work. We have a ton of political appointees to do nothing jobs, plenty of scumbag, corrupt government officials and lots of politics and promises with very little action. The taxpayer is always stuck with the bill. Property taxes have gone up to the point where they are about 5 times the national average and that does not slow down the gas taxes and income taxes and fees for any conceivable sort of government service. Most of the politicians in this area truly belong in jail.
So NYS correction officers, direct support assistants and mental health aides don't work?
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Old 06-01-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY
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So NYS correction officers, direct support assistants and mental health aides don't work?
...or court employees, county employees, etc, etc., who don't get summers off, BTW.
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Old 06-04-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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NY State employees don't work ? Yeah tell that fantasy story to a NY State Corrections Ofiicer walking A yard for evening Rec on a hot July . Right
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