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Old 05-24-2018, 08:44 PM
 
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Sadly I think it's the more educated people with money who are opting out of having no kids or one kid. People with less money and education seem to get pregnant at the drop of a hat.

DH and I live in Boston and it is very expensive to live here. That said, there are also a many people here who make a lot of money. We have two kids, 2 and 4, I'm almost 40 and DH is 44. I worry about how much I can give to my kids sometimes when I look at people around us. We both have family members who have done very well in their careers or married people who are wealthy...our combined income last year was 200k but I know others are making more than us. It's sad but I think my kids will have less compared to our family members in terms of vacation and possibly private schools. Sometimes I'd like to move but we really can't. 1st world problems, i know...

So yes I'm sure others have similar feelings to me in terms of finances. i want to be able to provide for my kids as best I can. Daycare is through the roof here as well. Not to mention our ages add on another factor. If I were younger I would maybe more seriously consider a 3rd but the two I have keep me busy enough with having to work. I wanted to have my kids before 40.

also many people have families where both people are working. More work means less time for kids and for yourself.

I see a few people I know on face book having 3, 4 and some even 5 kids but they are few and far between. Most are having 2 and I also think some people are realizing you can live a happy life without reproducing. I love my kids but working and having them is harder than i thought it would be. So yeah...I'm not super surprised the birth rate has declined...but it's the wrong people getting pregnant. I worry a bit about the future of this country.
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Old 05-24-2018, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Of course US birth rates are falling – this is a harsh place to have a family
Actually, no. Wherever life is easy birth rates are falling.


U.S., Sweden, Japan, Italy, etc. Muslims are having more kids because they live in areas where life is tough. I'm sure someone with a sociology background can explain the reasons, but it's just something I have observed.
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Old 05-24-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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What makes people have more kids when life is tough?
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Old 05-24-2018, 10:43 PM
 
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Isn’t 7 billion of us way more than enough? We may as well be a swarm of locusts and colony of ants devouring everything in our path.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:06 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Having children is not expensive because plenty of folks are popping babies out left and right at the expense of tax payers.
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The trouble is that intelligent people who make good livings and can afford to educate their children are the ones not having children.

It's the uneducated poor that keep knocking them out like clockwork generation after generation. Why? Because more babies equals more welfare.
Does anybody realize that welfare was prioritized by the population control zealots that ran the top tiers of US government during the late 1960’s-70’s; as part of a World Population Plan designed to lower birthrates?

“As the discussion earlier of the determinants of family size (fertility) pointed out, it is also important to make significant progress in other areas, such as better health care and improvements in income distribution, before desired family size can be expected to fall sharply.

If it makes economic sense for poor parents to have large families twenty years from now, there is no evidence as to whether population education or indoctrination will have sufficient impact alone to dissuad them.”
https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/Pcaab500.pdf

I guess it didn’t occur to them that they were helping it “make sense”.

Not only that but it was also decided that we would help pay for welfare for 13 other “high-population risk” countries: Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Brazil, Mexico, and Colombia.

Between 1972-1980, we spent up to $350 million annually, just for other countries welfare programs.

That’s what you can count on from population control: Bad Ideas.

Kids aren’t even expensive if one parent stays home during the years a child would need daycare/before-after school care. What they are: Is a lifestyle sacrifice. Mostly for the parent that’s at home. “Expensive” just sounds better.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:25 PM
 
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The trouble is that intelligent people who make good livings and can afford to educate their children are the ones not having children.


It's the uneducated poor that keep knocking them out like clockwork generation after generation. Why? Because more babies equals more welfare.


We are well on our way to Idiocracy.
Uh no, "more welfare" ended with AFDC in 1996 but this myth keeps getting repeated on some media outlets like Fox News when it is factually false

The reason why poor people keep "knocking then out" (which is also partially a myth) is because many cannot themselves or impulses and are against abortion due to principle and don't understand it when someone says "Don't start or expand a family until you are financially ready to do so"
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:40 PM
 
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My take is undocumented and hasn't reached a "researcher" site to link too...

(1) the New generation is less family oriented. matter of fact it seeps incessantly here online with the "divorce the parents!", "Get rid of Granny visits!" Move as far away as possible, and be sure to put your loved ones in a home . The Family Unit in society has corroded.
(2) The US stretches thru cultures, economic areas, and the delusion of making Things great "again". Like they were sooooo great before? When....
(3) The Use of adoption and fostering has taken hold and I think more folks are opting in that direction instead of regenerating thru old fashion methods.
(4) and yes, America is and has been a harsh place to reside and rear children.
(5) It would not surprise me in a year or two for this to turn around and see an uprising in births as Our Leader who shall be nameless in my home....Oust the Planned parenthood program , which did much in upholding Pro Choice. Now they must be ANTI ABORT in order to receive funding ....How delightfully devious of our nameless leader...
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Pretty good article about the challenges facing young couples. I find the comment by Paul Ryan at the end to be the equivalent of "Let them eat cake". Completely tone deaf and total lack of awareness of the challenges faced by working families.



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...amily-policies
He's not alone. Trump, for his part, appears to have attempted to make babies with a great many women.
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:16 AM
 
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I would like to see those breakdowns by ethnic groups. Some of the main drivers of the US Birth rate are the currently widely-despised, evil "immigrants".

I would be surprised if the birth rate of white Americans is materially different from that of Germany.
I don't know the exact rate, but the fertility rate for white women in America is still typically higher than it is for most other developed countries.
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:16 AM
 
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<<SOCIALIST GENOCIDE>>

Under socialism, people are led to rely on government for their security in old age or infirmity. This substitution of the family for one’s security, with the false promise of government support via taxing other people’s children, enables the society to accept behavior that is contrary to survival. This includes destruction of the family, divorce, and even lack of reproduction.

In the past, one’s security in old age was dependent upon either private charity or one’s family, hence having a large brood of children was common place. All conduct and behavior that was contrary to that practice was frowned upon, if not proscribed.

After socialism, the government compelled people to work for the benefit of others, or surrender property for the benefit of others, including those who were deemed repugnant, disgusting, repellant, immoral or otherwise unacceptable to the donor. Thus evil became subsidized by good, and evil flourished, immune from opprobrium and protected by perverted government.

Unfortunately, the burden of socialist servitude discouraged people from having children, as being too expensive, while driving more and more adults into the workforce, leaving no one to care for a large family or elderly and infirm members.

This will not end well.
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