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Old 05-25-2018, 08:19 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Is money a factor? Yes, but if you truly want children you make it work. You find a better job, go back to school to further education for a better job, work and extra job, cut back on vacations, etc. Health care costs and maternity leave are absolutely horrible in the country and it needs to change. Especially when an illegal person can come here and have a child for free yet I paid $5k out of pocket and that was 10 years ago! I also think paid maternity leave should be mandatory for a certain length in time. We are way behind other countries in this!
the real trick is to get rid of the inefficiency in the system. my aunt operates a practice that delivers babies for illegals. the cost is much less than what you would pay in a hospital, they get paid in cash and they are profitable. instead of focusing on government paying for everything; they should focus on cutting the expense.
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Old 05-25-2018, 09:24 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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"this is a harsh place to have a family". Ha, ha, ha. Thanks I needed a laugh for today. How weak are people becoming to think this is a harsh place? Where do you live OP? As a 50+ year old, I feel these are the easiest times in my life by far. I did grow up in Pittsburgh when the city lost 1/2 of its population due to the steel bust, so my perspective is different than many.

The only reason people have less kids is because people are just becoming more selfish. They would rather have a BMW and a McMansion than a child that costs a lot of money. It has nothing to do with harsh conditions in the US. On the contrary, we have it made!
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Old 05-25-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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the real trick is to get rid of the inefficiency in the system. my aunt operates a practice that delivers babies for illegals. the cost is much less than what you would pay in a hospital, they get paid in cash and they are profitable. instead of focusing on government paying for everything; they should focus on cutting the expense.
The problem is the government and media have people believing that the government can do health care more efficiently. They also have people believing we have a free market health care system that has failed. What we actually have is a private, non-competitive health care market (i.e. a cartel). We're presented with the false choice that we either must have a private health care cartel, or a government run socialist system, or some combination of both--as if there were no other options (or that those other options are cruel and inhumane. Nothing could be more inhumane than the mess we have now).
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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You first responded to me with an irrelevant post trying to argue that the historical birthrate in America should be examined while ignoring the exact same trend happening in all developed countries.

I called you out on it and now itís obvious you didnít even read the article.

You can benefit from comprehending your argument before trying to respond to other posters who are pointing out the faulty logic in the OP.

Actually I donít recall stating you should ignore whatís happening in other countries. You did say it was irrelevant to compare against your history and hats simply false. I also read the article however that has nothing to do with the disagreement we have. You also fabricated my feelings for the country and labeled me as a liberal in doing so which is often a tactic of weakness
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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I think another big reason birth rates have dropped is many young women saw the financial devastation their stay-at-home mothers endured when they went through a divorce or death of a spouse. They are afraid to give up their jobs and security.

Even into the 1970s and 1980s, many women with college degrees stayed home by choice with their young children, missing out on years of pension and Social Security buildup. If or when you returned to work, you were farther down on the ladder. Living costs, particularly health care, have really escalated.

The young women I know seem to choose no children or 1-2, while still trying to work outside the home and cobble together childcare. Grandparents may live far away and may not want to be the babysitters anyway. Seems very stressful and overwhelming.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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My wife and I arenít havibg children and while there are a host of reasons why her lack of coverage through her employer certainly came into play. She has two weeks of paid leave and then can do fmla unpaid, during the leave the company takes the cell phone and lap tops away, doesnít pay the car allowance and any bonus comp earned during the quarter is forfeited if you did not actively work 8 or more of the weeks in the quarter. My company on the other hand is 16 weeks paid maternity leave that can be used in a flexible manner, no comp reduction nor lost bonus opportunities and allow me to take the maternity leave if I am the primary care giver meaning my wife has to go back to work after two weeks or lose her comp
Do you work for Chase?
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Do you work for Chase?
I donít but in the financial services industry
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:09 AM
 
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When women are given free access to education, contraceptives, and abortion, they limit their fertility. That's why first world countries all have plunging birth rates. The only reason that the US hasn't been affected by this up until now is that we've had massive immigration, and a high birth rate amongst the dependent underclass living on social welfare benefits.

When women are enslaved by religions and cultures that deny them education and control of their own fertility, they are forced into having a dozen or more children. Look at virtually every third world country, every poor Catholic country, every Muslim country.

When a society rewards poor women monetarily for reproducing, it selectively increases the fertility rate of poor women. Having a child in many parts of the USA is the meal ticket for poor women. It gives them access to Medicaid, subsidized housing, food stamps, cash benefits, and social security "disability" cash benefits for their supposedly disabled children. However, the offspring of women raising children in this way only rarely become productive, self-supporting, contributing members of society. At best, it only serves to vastly increase the population living on the dole - at worst, it serves as a feeder population for our prisons.

If we as a society want to increase the birthrate among educated, working women, we need to mandate long, paid maternity leaves, and free high quality daycare. Many women would love to have another child - they just cannot afford the daycare bill!
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:24 AM
 
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Ireland it's illegal to have an abortion so that makes sense.

Ireland recently let a pregnant mom die even though her 17 week pregnancy had so many issues. By sticking to "no abortion" rule, they made sure both unborn baby and mom died. At least they could have saved the mom but no, they did not let that happen.


Thank God, I live in a progressive country like US.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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If we as a society want to increase the birthrate among educated, working women, we need to mandate long, paid maternity leaves, and free high quality daycare.
This plan seems so sensible, but it isn't working very well in countries that have implemented it.
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