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Old 05-26-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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Basic biz economics. You can't keep a plant open trying to sell an overpriced product that no one wants to buy.
I think by last years count they sold 241,000 of them......

They are up against an aging buyer problem though.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Who wants to bet though, come memorial day, July 4th, this year, Harley Davidson will likely be trying to look like a proud american company?!
But, they are still an American company with products made here in the USA. Them moving a plant to Tailand, where the motorcylce industry is exploding in the Asian markets is a bad thing? No different than Japan opening up a plant for Toyota in the USA.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:53 AM
 
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Moved from Current Events for broader discussion. Still - no partisan politics.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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Basic biz economics. You can't keep a plant open trying to sell an overpriced product that no one wants to buy.
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That might be true but the even more basic thing and real driver is cheaper labor and manufacturing/operating expenses after moving out of the US. Also, the manufacturer doesn't have to deal with all the restrictions put on them here with labor laws, wages, unions, equal opportunity bs, OSHA, etc.
Although Harley's ship may have sailed a bit in the US, they, like any business, is trying to capture more of a market in Asia. Buyers in other countries, are no different than here in that they like a product that is built in their country (jobs...etc). Also, how does one survive with import taxes of up to 60% in Thailand?

A lot of the Asian countries only allow smaller displacement bikes. Here is the US, the market is for the larger displacement ones. You can't survive here selling 250 - 500CC bikes. And it makes no sense building them here, and importing them to a different country at a 60% tax just to get them into the country.

Quote from CNBC: "The plant would let Milwaukee-based Harley-Davidson avoid Thailand's up to 60 percent tariff on imported motorcycles and help it get tax breaks when exporting to Thailand's neighbors, thanks to a trade arrangement among members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nation (ASEAN)."

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Old 05-26-2018, 08:01 AM
 
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Corporations do not care about workers or America all they care about is money and profit that's the bottom line for them.
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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Where to begin with this poorly written article?

They lament the fact that tax cuts didn’t result in raises. Well, what does a cost decreasing (tax) have to do with various different labor markets Harley competes for talent in? Is their production worker or office manager providing more value because there was a tax cut? If the price of rubber went down, would the employees suddenly expect a raise?

Secondly, Harley is in a declining industry. Why can’t people in the media ever look at a single companies failure as their failure without projecting it to politics and other causes items (that they don’t understand) like tax reform?

The article doesn’t mention anything about the condition of the plant. For all we know, it could be an aging relic in needs of tens of millions of repair.

Not to mention companies this large that operate in regions all over the globe can have totally different supply chain and production requirements in different regions. There’s nothing sinister about closing a plant in one place and opening it somewhere else in a market that may be emerging. Sales in the u.s are probably declining and increasing overseas. Instead of looking at business reasons, they go to the thoughts of a biased welder losing his job and he says it’s all just to screw over Americans.
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Old 05-26-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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Corporations do not care about workers or America all they care about is money and profit that's the bottom line for them.
Plenty of corporations care about their employees and see them as business partners. There is a great deal of management theory that shows companies who empower and treat their employees well get better performance and more value from employees. There are countless companies that pay more to attract and retain better talent. Not all companies are out to slash cost and find the cheapest bidder. Some companies or industries? Sure. They maybe in an industry that works. Or a red ocean industry. Losses are destruction of value to society. Profit is value added. Those who destroy value will disappear and they ought to disappear.

This of course isn’t to be confused with cradle to grave security without regard for the business changing or certain employees losing value because they don’t remain competent or their job function becomes unneeded.

You remind me of the people that think because a business laid people off in one area, they shouldn’t be able to hire in another area in the same building. Or that if people are being laid off, a company lunch or flowers out front should no longer be a thing.
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:27 AM
 
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hmmm.....duly noted. also is the fact that when gas prices rise so do the sales of motorcycles as they are are an alternative to cost saving and upkeep.
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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Corporations do not care about workers or America all they care about is money and profit that's the bottom line for them.



Yep, that is fact number one, and fact number two is that trickle down economics has failed every time it was attempted. Harley knew they were getting a tax break, and instead of using that money to invest in their company here, they took the easy route.


Wonder how diehard American Harley guys are going to feel riding a foreign bike ?
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Yep, that is fact number one, and fact number two is that trickle down economics has failed every time it was attempted. Harley knew they were getting a tax break, and instead of using that money to invest in their company here, they took the easy route.


Wonder how diehard American Harley guys are going to feel riding a foreign bike ?

I wonder if you read the article?

The production is shifting from Missouri to Pennsylvania. The Thailand plant sounds like itís totally unrelated and itís production wonít be imported back into the United States, but rather used to meet demand in the Asia Pacific.
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