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Old 08-11-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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No matter which time you pick in US History, it will always be cheaper to use Communist Labor over Capitalist Labor, since the state in conjunction with Big Business will use every tactic to squeeze every bit of work out of you at the lowest possible cost in order to enrich their benefactors at the top.

So, it puts to rest the lie, companies went overseas because of high costs here.
They went overseas because there is more money to be made!

There have been many profitable so called US companies that relocated, but why not move when you can make even more.
The worst part about this, they do not bring their stinking lobbyists with them from Washington DC when they leave.

Why should they have any influence in our government or country when they have jumped the shipped for globalism?

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Old 08-11-2018, 02:14 PM
 
Location: NYC
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You can't unionize today for most service oriented jobs in a global economy. You can thank the plutocrats in office for ensuring that unions are irrelevant in the 21st century especially for the digital workforce.

I've seen hundreds of jobs disappear in a single day multiple times and having unions make zero difference for the new economy.

Every company is always looking to shed workers and improve their bottomline. In countries where they can't shed workers because of strict labor laws, they simply don't hire and the economy stays stagnant.

There has to be a balance, because many sectors dominated by unions or strict labor laws are disappearing and moving overseas except for government. And we all know that government workers are not as efficient as the private sector because labor protection.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:51 PM
 
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You can't unionize today for most service oriented jobs in a global economy. You can thank the plutocrats in office for ensuring that unions are irrelevant in the 21st century especially for the digital workforce.

I've seen hundreds of jobs disappear in a single day multiple times and having unions make zero difference for the new economy.

Every company is always looking to shed workers and improve their bottomline. In countries where they can't shed workers because of strict labor laws, they simply don't hire and the economy stays stagnant.

There has to be a balance, because many sectors dominated by unions or strict labor laws are disappearing and moving overseas except for government. And we all know that government workers are not as efficient as the private sector because labor protection.
Actually you can UNIONIZE for almost any job in America if you have the workers and the government behind you

Check out what is happening with the union for immigration judges which because of Congress are "employees" of the Justice Dept
They are suing Sessions who is their titular boss for a violation of their work rules and impairing their legal authority vested in them to decide immigration cases according to laws and precedent...
Not WH tantrums...

Sessions had cases taken away from an immigration judge for "critical" remarks he made about how the Justice Dept is interfering in the legal capacity of immigration judges--
Not the one who threaten to cite Sessions for contempt--although his time may come...

Saw the emeritus president of that union on Ari Melber's show last night
She said that DHS budget has increased like 5X more than the budget for immigration courts/judges--
Like hiring more to handle all the people charged by ICE for illegal entry or violations of immigration rules
Shows that Congress is putting money into POLICING but not dealing with the legal consequences because they don't want to spend money on people who basically are a drain vs a conduit of money...
Not that DHS is putting money into the system either
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Actually you can UNIONIZE for almost any job in America if you have the workers and the government behind you

Well almost, but not quite.
There are many companies that would rather close their doors than let workers organize.
Walmart has been an habitual offender in this regard.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/union-w...abor-activism/
Union: Walmart shut 5 stores over labor activism


Big Business actually detest Capitalism when it comes to the worker side of the equation.
They would rather lobby for amnesty for cheap labor when forces dictate that they should raise wages to attract labor or close the doors all together like Walmart when workers organize.

California is a prime example of this as well.
Housing prices have been rising for years well beyond the reach of low skilled workers.
So, the low skilled workers moved further north or went on the government dole.

Capitalists should have raised wages but instead welcomed illegals with open arms that live 10 to a room to while they make bank.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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Retired now, but a proud union member for 29 years.

19 years one union, 10 years another union.
Private sector.

Our members were very productive .

Supple and demand works when negotiating wages.
If workers are scarce, we ( union) will get a better contract
If workers are plentiful and the economy is slow, we won't get much.

Supply and demand works in setting wages ( union and non-union)

However, it does not work when ILLEGALS are inserted into the supply of workers.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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Retired now, but a proud union member for 29 years.

19 years one union, 10 years another union.
Private sector.

Our members were very productive .

Supple and demand works when negotiating wages.
If workers are scarce, we ( union) will get a better contract
If workers are plentiful and the economy is slow, we won't get much.

Supply and demand works in setting wages ( union and non-union)

However, it does not work when ILLEGALS are inserted into the supply of workers.
Yep.
And Big Business has been a major part of welcoming illegals with open arms.
it does not work when you bring in cheap labor from India or other places either, legal or otherwise.
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Old 08-11-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Employees don't make business owners wealthy, customers do.
This post doesn't make any sense because without an appropriate quantity and quality of employees, the existence of many successful and wealth generating businesses isn't even possible for several reasons:

1. Without enough employees, many businesses aren't able to be on a scale that can create wealth for the owners.
2. The quality of employees, their skills, and the level of service they offer to the public can make or break a employer and the wealth created for the business. Though the degree of importance customers place on service varies by industry and price point, customers will definitely choose to do business elsewhere if customer service (which comes from employees) isn't up to par. Treating employees well (in terms of financial compensation and respecting them as a professional) results in being able to pick a better caliber of employee who will keep the customer happy and spending their $$$ for the owners.

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Old 08-11-2018, 08:25 PM
 
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Employees don't make business owners wealthy, customers do.


Oh, and employees are business owners - our 401(k)s, IRAs, and pension funds are all invested in the stock market, which means that the employees are co-owners in all of the companies whose shares are held in the funds.
Your reasoning is classic example of not understanding the complexity and talking easy fixes

1--If a business owner has underperforming or undermining employees, a business owner doesn't get anything but complaints--
W/o great employees, a business owner is left to do every thing himself or herself--how likely is that to produce superior service/results??? Be a one-person business and see how far you get...
But your POV is very GOP which discounts the value of workers vs the person who runs/owns the business--

2--let me know how many times a business changes any aspect of its business model because of the "INDIVIDUAL" complaints of stock owners---
Often their share classes might not have the same voting rights as other classes of stock
And you likely owns shares in MUTUAL FUNDS which further dilutes your effective voice in controlling any board of any company whose stock is owned by a mutual fund...

Again--something that make you feel like you have a voice -- until you try to make it heard...
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Old 08-12-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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Not a fan of unions at all... ie see DETROIT!
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:10 PM
 
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I'm not anti union, but I am against the abuse of power of unions. Public sector unions such as police and fire (here in Massachusetts) are out of control. When the state police are retiring with 250,000 dollar annual pensions, something is seriously wrong. When 90% of the Boston fire department retires on disability pensions when their 'disability' occurred while filling in for someone on a higher pay grade, it's systemic fraud. No politician will touch the issue because, well you know, heroes get carte blanche to perpetuate whatever fraud they choose and every politician wants their union's endorsement.
Same kind of things happened here in San Jose, CA where I live. The worst of the abuses have been reined in, but not all.
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