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Old 12-12-2018, 11:45 PM
 
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Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off the rails he goes....

You can never resist injecting ridiculous hyperbole into any discussion. Unemployment is low, real wages are up. There is no indication that people don't care, median home size has barely budged from recent highs, and you have absolutely zero data to support your (oft-repeated) claim that van living has become a thing.



Sounds like you've got yet another excuse locked and loaded.
I see more and more TV shows, youtube channels, articles, etc on this style of living. This never used to be a "thing".
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:19 AM
 
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I see more and more TV shows, youtube channels, articles, etc on this style of living. This never used to be a "thing".
Could be 'poor' is spreading. I've lived and practiced medicine in a poor area for 37 years now. Many people and my patients here are poor and live in trailers and such. But IMO no different than 30 or more years ago. So maybe this is spreading to suburbia and the cities where the COL is higher?

When I see these 'little house' reality shows I wonder why they don't just buy and live in a nice used, much cheaper, and already set up trailer?
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:23 AM
 
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The logic is most people don't have any financial intelligence, yet alone financial IQ.
https://apnews.com/1d31cf4b56e449769ab4cb456237ea1f
And, the devastation of our country by the Obama administration will take years to undo.
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:24 AM
 
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I see more and more TV shows, youtube channels, articles, etc on this style of living. This never used to be a "thing".
That's TV. There's always been trailer parks, mobile homes, pre-fab houses, tiny mill homes, etc.
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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And, the devastation of our country by the Obama administration will take years to undo.
Where do you see that devastation?
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:34 AM
 
Location: Thailand
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I see more and more TV shows, youtube channels, articles, etc on this style of living. This never used to be a "thing".
Gotta love a scientific analysis... you have noticed more youtube stuff therefore it's proliferating.
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Inland FL
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Ever since the mid 70s, lower and middle class Americans have been stuck.
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Old 12-14-2018, 07:52 AM
 
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as a general statement that is incorrect ... many of us have moved up the ranks since the 1970's . we didn't stay a warehouse worker or burger flipper for our entire lives . you always have some that go no where but you can't make a statement like that as a general comment .
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Florida and New England
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Ever since the mid 70s, lower and middle class Americans have been stuck.
My grandfather, an independent broker, lost everything in the 1929 crash. I mean everything, including the house and the Model A. My grandmother had to go back to work in order to rent a much smaller house. They never regained their 1920s financial status.

Their three children, in turn, were raised in a barebones setting in the 1930s. I mean frugal beyond 'lean times'. All three however achieved reasonable middle class success in the postwar professional trades (all achieved (state) college degrees, as had my grandparents in the 1910s). Among those children, my father then raised three children, including me, in the 1970s. We also all went to college and into the modern trades (technology and media). The three of us have already each exceeded my parent's middle class wealth. From zero to riches in two generations.

That is my story of American promise. And in the case of my brothers and I, it did indeed happen to middle class kids since the 1970s,
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Old 12-14-2018, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I see more and more TV shows, youtube channels, articles, etc on this style of living. This never used to be a "thing".
That only means you're more aware of it, not that it's increasing.

How many tornadoes were in Kansas in the 1960s?

You have no idea.

If a tornado touches down and no one sees it, was there actually a tornado?

For centuries, hundreds of tornadoes went undetected every year in the US, because no one saw them and there was no other means of detecting them.

One might touch down in a field in Kansas, and a few days later the farmer is trolling his fields and sees evidence of a tornado, but he doesn't bother to call the local TV station or National Weather Service to report it, because it wasn't even remotely important.

You can see that just by looking at the data.

You only 198 reported tornadoes in 1950, but then remember that airport radars could only "see" 25 miles at that time.

As air travel becomes more popular, airports upgrade to bigger radars that can "see" 80-90 miles out, the number of detected tornadoes increases, because of that, but then flat-lines.

Then in the 1970s, the airports upgrade to radars that can "see" 210-220 miles out, the number of detected tornadoes jumps, but flat-lines, and then in the 1990s when you install Doppler Radar to cover every inch of earth in the US, the number of detected tornadoes jumps again, but flat-lines.

The number of tornadoes was not increasing, but the number of detected tornadoes was increasing.

Big difference.

Same with mass shootings and mass murders.

Only your local TV stations covered those, and if it didn't happen in your town, then you were clueless about it. The only reason your local TV stations might cover it is if a member of your community was involved in some way.

The networks only covered the Manson murders, because film producer Roman Polanski and actress Sharon Tate were celebrities. If they had been regular Joes and Janes, the networks wouldn't have touched it, and 90% of Americans would be clueless and have no idea who Charles Manson was.

With the introduction of cable TV in the 1980s, and rise of cable news networks like CNN, you see things you wouldn't normally see. CNN needs money, and money comes from advertising, and advertising money only comes with large numbers of viewers, so CNN was covering everything, because as the saying goes: If it bleeds, it leads.

With the rise of social media now, you're seeing things you would normally never see, and you're seeing things that cable news networks won't cover, but they were always happening.
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