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In actuality that shouldn't be a function of a production center.
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The current system is obviously dumb
You freely mix what is reality and what you think is the way things should be. The latter doesn't support an argument about the former.
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Fine, but I believe ER supports illegitimate authority controlling the masses (executives and shareholders).
This being a perfect example, executives are legitimate authority controlling the work environment of the masses that have agreed to exchange their labor for compensation, and shareholders as well by extension since they hire the executives. You're taking something ER said and injecting something as fact (legitimacy) which is just a fanciful notion you have.
Even non-profits understand the need for a management structure.
But of course, your extensive management experience has led you to believe it is unnecessary.
Organization happens at the bottom level between workers, needing authority to organize it can only be derived from the bottom up. If there were to be a manager they would be elected, hold their position only as long as those workers say so, and have no power of their own besides organizational suggestion.
That is how free and autonomous humans operate, not cogs in a machine.
Organization happens at the bottom level between workers, needing authority to organize it can only be derived from the bottom up. If there were to be a manager they would be elected, hold their position only as long as those workers say so, and have no power of their own besides organizational suggestion.
That is how free and autonomous humans operate, not cogs in a machine.
Just brilliant. A group of people that lack any management experience will be selecting another inexperienced person to manage their activities. And since they can replace that person at any time, I am sure they will be highly motivated to select someone that maintains accountability...............right?!?
Organization happens at the bottom level between workers, needing authority to organize it can only be derived from the bottom up. If there were to be a manager they would be elected, hold their position only as long as those workers say so, and have no power of their own besides organizational suggestion.
That is how free and autonomous humans operate, not cogs in a machine.
no they dont, they find the largest stick they can then hit the other people until they stop crying...
you never watched national geographic or the evening news?
Is that affect beneficial to practical usage of production? No.
Incorrect.
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Managers make sure labor is practice to maximize output while minimizing costs. That has little to do with the freedom and the needs of the workers, the people who actual own and control the means of production.
Even non-profits understand the need for a management structure.
But of course, your extensive management experience has led you to believe it is unnecessary.
Hahahaha...
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Organization happens at the bottom level between workers, needing authority to organize it can only be derived from the bottom up.
Except the workers lack the knowledge, experience, training, education and experience to make such decisions, and because they do, they will always fail and in the most spectacular manner.
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You believe authoritarian ownership of private capital allows freedom, when it keeps freedom down.
Anyone can own Capital....they just have to want to own Capital.
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Give me one example where competition created new technology for public usage.
Are you kidding? The examples are too numerous to list.
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A lot of blanket criticisms with little merit:
Little merit that you can understand.
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You keep harping on the fact that not all workers know the functions of all forms of production, and yet you don't realize having that authority derived from the workers is different from having the workers in direct control.
Authority doesn't need to be derived from the workers, who would be unable to select competent leadership, because workers don't have the skills to do that.
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In a lot of cases, workers will decide production decisions,...
On what basis? After how much time studying and debating the issues?
The majority of workers couldn't even read a marketing report, much less understand it.
Do you expect workers to study this material in the comfort of their own home for free? Or do you plan on paying them?
If workers are spending 20-40 hours a week studying and debating issues, when do they plan on working?
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2. This is incorrect. The laws of supply and demand are not what the free markets (despite their name) are about.
Yes, they are, and you can't provide any concrete proof to the contrary.
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Capitalism is about the accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few,...
Capitalism has nothing to do with Wealth.
Capitalism is a Property Theory, one of three, which hypothesizes that Capital is best left in the hands of private individuals, because they are more responsive to the needs of the many markets. There is ample evidence to support that.
In Socialist and Communist Property Theories, the government has been demonstrated to repeatedly fail to meet the needs of the market.
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4. You're using semantics again.
That's because you can't face facts or reality.
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All corporate models are capitalistic in nature and therefore authoritarian by design. It doesn't matter is they are LLCs or any other form of external control. The problem is that the owners (the ones that operate the company) are not the ones who own or operate the business
On the contrary, there are many owners who are also the managers.
And you still refuse to acknowledge that anyone can start their own company....they just have to want to do it.
What you want to do is punish anyone who dare take the risk and improve the lives of others.
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5. All nonsense, these are viable options for individuals to take, but they are not necessary. The public mass manufactured/produced goods that are handled by syndicates are publicly available for free (as ascertained by the gift economy), while personal production can be utilized for those who want more. And unions that are not involved with the syndicates or federations can produce for themselves.
And everyone's Standard of Living would decline precipitously.
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No, but I no plenty of managers.
The manager at the prison rehabilitation center I work for, and others.
They don’t organize labor efficiently, they exist in for profit businesses, they exist to lower costs, and maximize production, you should know this.
Yeah, we figured you have no practical experience with the Real World.
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