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Interesting way of framing inability to make your argument without resorting to mindless regurgitation.
Not true at all. At best this is a desperate lie.
When I gave Kaz a proper answer, he mocked me and left. That is reflective of an inability to engage and analyze.
Just like for anyone else, when someone asks me a specific question I give them a specific answer:
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324
If it were in a socialist world, it would be different unions all functioning autonomously:
1. You can’t vote to put yourself in a role you are not professionsd in. If you volunteer or apply for such a role, you’d have to provide evidence that you are capable of such a task. If a union not a member of a syndicate were to place people in the authority of engineer without the capability to perform such tasks then they would naturally fail to meet production demands. The concept of authority deriving power from the bottom may be foreign to authoritarians like yourself, but all hierarchies answer to the power base. They are accountable to the union as a whole the same way a politican is accountable to the people who elected him (in theory).
2. A wage system wouldn’t be a factor anymore as capital control is no longer a function of the economy. Mass production handled by unions are shared via syndicates, while the production output is available to the community per demand. The institutions of a union is not separate from the community as a whole, rather the community provides labor to a union based on demand or they form a separate union. Needs are different depending on where you go, some may want an independent union not part of a syndicate to provide for personal needs, while others may need a mass production union tied with a syndicate to build a supply chain for provisions not accessible at the current location. Maintenance can either be distributed amongst the workers, or if separate labor is needed to provide these external jobs, the syndicates could help connect the union to a janitorial labor force that could be utilized. If the union is not part of a syndicate, they could offer a portion of their output to an assortment of outside people to perform these tasks for them while not being an official member of the union.
Personal production can also be done outside of unions, subsistence farming, garden farming, etc. to provide based on your own wants or needs. Within unions, there would be an agreed quota of work everyone must participate in order to remain a member of the union (depending on roles). That being said exceeding that quota of work, excess production goes to whoever the producer(s) may be. If more than one is involved with that excess production they would agree mutually what to do with it. Consistent services (electric supply, etc.) would be built by a network of syndicates (or unions) but would be operated by the community that uses it. In essence the costumers are in ownership of these service sources, and they provide the labor to keep it functioning, or the syndicates provide operational control if desired.
Personal service (like home repair, etc.) that do not create an independent output can be charged for by individuals or groups of individuals involved, but this charge would not be centralized currency as function can not be given a universal numerical value. These exchanges could be labor, supply, or conditionally based. Similarly capitalism could exist in this natural of exchange for labor, but the owners of the labor and the output remain the ones performing the task.
3. I think most of this question was answered, but you have a fundamental misunderstanding of reward and human nature. Reward doesn’t have to be capital, it could be fame, platform, accessibility, or stature. All these values still exist in society, but capitalism was the first that made personal reward for the natural desire to be better than others capital control. You should really read Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution to learn more about the basis of human and animal evolution.
But of course you’ll never respond logically, you won’t read any of my explanation from the past 50 pages, instead you’ll resort to insults as that is all you have left.
SL, autocorrect does this to me. Besides the one bolder area, is anything else wrong?
Yeah, there's that personal accountability issue, you seem to have a problem with that. Does auto-correct press "submit reply" for you as well?
Did you mean "bolded"?
I'm sure there are many other problems with your posts, I'm not your editor or proofreader. If you care about your message you should care enough to make sure it's coming across intelligently. You obviously don't.
This is a nonsense post. I’ve spent an incredible amount of time discussing this issue with you and despite all my answers you have nothing left to resort to but personal slander.
Yes, auto correct messes up some of my sentences, but the message is clear.
Personal slander? You proved my point in this post, you take no responsibility for your errors.
And all of your "answers" are merely historical facts about failed economies (not worth debating) or your opinions of your utopian economy (opinions are not facts, no matter how many times you cut, paste and post them).
When I gave Kaz a proper answer, he mocked me and left. That is reflective of an inability to engage and analyze.
Just like for anyone else, when someone asks me a specific question I give them a specific answer:
But of course you’ll never respond logically, you won’t read any of my explanation from the past 50 pages, instead you’ll resort to insults as that is all you have left.
You have had plenty of responses over the past 50+ pages. No one seems to support your opinions. Accept it and move on. This thread has more than run its course.
You have had plenty of responses over the past 50+ pages. No one seems to support your opinions. Accept it and move on. This thread has more than run its course.
Yeah, a lot of right wing people seem to not like it.
But that is not important, what is important is the fact that my main responses have been ignored.
You can disagree, but you have to explain why you think I’m wrong. The fact that everyone here has responded in personal attacks shows more about them than me.
Personal slander? You proved my point in this post, you take no responsibility for your errors.
And all of your "answers" are merely historical facts about failed economies (not worth debating) or your opinions of your utopian economy (opinions are not facts, no matter how many times you cut, paste and post them).
SL, I know you’ve read most of my posts.
Come on, after 50 pages that is what you think my argument boils down to? I thought you’d at least respect the amount of time we’ve spent debating this issue.
I don't, I think companies should be worker run democratically since they are the ones who keep the company operating, not the ones who manage the capital.
Start your own company and let the workers run it. According to you, you'll be successful.
Yeah, a lot of right wing people seem to not like it.
But that is not important, what is important is the fact that my main responses have been ignored.
You can disagree, but you have to explain why you think I’m wrong. The fact that everyone here has responded in personal attacks shows more about them than me.
But of course you don’t feel you are attacking people when you refer to them as childish, right wing etc.
Many people have responded to your posts, but you just don’t like the answer. People have more recently ignored you because all you are doing is repeating comments (which they already addressed).
The bottom line, once again, is that people don’t agree with you. Learn to deal with it and move on.
But of course you don’t feel you are attacking people when you refer to them as childish, right wing etc.
Many people have responded to your posts, but you just don’t like the answer. People have more recently ignored you because all you are doing is repeating comments (which they already addressed).
The bottom line, once again, is that people don’t agree with you. Learn to deal with it and move on.
What a load of nonsense.
When people call me names the action is childish, and I don’t know why you consider calling someone right wing is an attack, it’s not, it’s an observation.
To your second point, this is wrong. I’ve spent 50 pages individually answering questions, but for the last few pages, after all the retorts had been explained away, people like Kaz got mad and decided to attack me instead.
Those are the facts.
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