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Old 11-29-2018, 07:50 AM
 
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They aren't making these low end products because it is not profitable to do so. If you disagree, and have found an innovate way to manufacture these products in the US with an acceptable profit margin, I highly recommend you start your own firm. You will make a good living.
E R, additionally, to manufacture some low-end products require high-end tools, and/or facilities and/or labor that’s less expensive in other nations due to low-wages and higher exchange value of the U.S. dollar.
USA is not producing a great many "High-end" types of products for those very same reasons.

The Import Certificate policy is among unilateral trade policy proposals that are not affected by any currency manipulations. All goods values are assessed as U.S. market’s values in U.S. dollars.

IMO President Trump has it wrong. The problem’s not that the U.S. makes “bad deals”, but rather that our trade policy is a matter of international negotiations and subject to other than economic considerations.

I’m a proponent of “most favored nation agreements”.
They do not prohibit nations from favoring their own entities, but they require that the participating nations grant each other’s products no less favorable treatment than they grant to products of any other nation that’s foreign to them. Most favored nation policy can also be applied to entire “pacts” of nations such as the European Economic Community.


Nations that choose not to enter into “most favored nation agreements” agreements with us, will do so at their own and of course our own risks. We'll continue to deal with each other as we now do, but at additionally more so; we'll continue to deal with them on an ad hok basis but we'll be much less bound the World-Court if we have no agreement with a particular nation.
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:48 AM
 
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USA is not producing a great many "High-end" types of products for those very same reasons.
Nonsense. The US manufactures a lot of ‘high value’ product output. We lead the world in production of large airplanes, for example.
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Old 11-29-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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Nonsense. The US manufactures a lot of ‘high value’ product output. We lead the world in production of large airplanes, for example.
Damba, nonsense; you don’t read carefully.
I posted, USA is not producing a great many "High-end" TYPES of products for those very same reasons.

There are many types of U.S. excellent quality products that satisfied almost the entire USA demand for such products, and a good portion of the remainder of the world’s needs.
Many of those same or modern versions of those same types of products are still produced and sold in the USA and the remainder of the world; but the USA is producing a small minority of those types of products sold in the USA and almost no sales beyond USA borders.
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Old 11-29-2018, 07:26 PM
 
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I'm still not getting what you're saying.

Boeing is a world leading airplane manufacturer, they sell them both domestically and on the international market and it's surely a high-end product. USA isn't producing a minority of the world's large passenger aircraft, nor are there no sales beyond it's borders. Same can be said for Intel, GE, Dell, General Motors, DowDuPoint, United Technologies, Cisco, Caterpillar, etc.

I don't see how anyone can make the case that US isn't producing many high end products.
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Old 11-29-2018, 08:09 PM
 
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I'm still not getting what you're saying.

Boeing is a world leading airplane manufacturer, they sell them both domestically and on the international market and it's surely a high-end product. USA isn't producing a minority of the world's large passenger aircraft, nor are there no sales beyond it's borders. Same can be said for Intel, GE, Dell, General Motors, DowDuPoint, United Technologies, Cisco, Caterpillar, etc.

I don't see how anyone can make the case that US isn't producing many high end products.
Lieqiang, I did not post "US isn't producing many high end products".

I posted, USA is not producing a great many "High-end" TYPES of products for those very same reasons.

I explained further in the prior post. The two sentences do not mean the same thing.
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:15 PM
 
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Even the small group of US companies I listed represent an extremely diverse cross-section of high end products, everything from cars to planes to trains to computer chips to semiconductors to high-end materials to jet engines to switches/routers to construction and medical equipment and much more so I'm curious where you're drawing the line on "many" here.

USA produces many types of high end products. Medical, construction, tech, pharma, bio, military, comm it's diverse by any measure.
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Old 11-29-2018, 09:46 PM
 
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What America manufactures, is education, opportunity and entrepreneurs.
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Old Yesterday, 06:50 AM
 
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Lieqiang and Damba, let’s discuss the aviation industry, the very first industry you both mentioned. Nation’s aviation industries are of economic importance beyond the values of their enterprises’ total annual products. Refer to
https://www.britannica.com/technolog...space-industry, https://www.businessinsider.com/airb...rivalry-2018-4, and whatever other sources you can search for.

USA may no longer be producing the majority of the world commercial aircraft. Our share of the market has substantially decreased within the last half-century.
There’s a similar story in regard to many other industries, including those that you mention.

How many USA television sets do you see in USA stores when you shop? What’s USA’s proportion of global production for many, if not the same industries that you mention in your posts? What was and what now is USA’s proportion of the world’s locomotives, ships, cargo aircraft, trucks, camera’s, washing machines, steel, aluminum, precision instrument, production line robots, and whatever other comparatively, more precise quality products produced on production lines rather than as entirely custom ordered and built from scratch individual units, do you care to mention?

We have the largest arm forces budgets and purchase the most military aircraft, ships and boats, vehicles, and electronic gear. It’s politically impossible to pass a U.S. military budget that doesn’t “buy USA”; but we are, as we should and as we must scratch for everything else. We are no longer the undeniably most and best producers.
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Old Yesterday, 07:25 AM
 
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USA may no longer be producing the majority of the world commercial aircraft. Our share of the market has substantially decreased within the last half-century.
So how exactly does this support your claim that USA doesn't support many types of high end products? You want to look at aircraft fine let's look at aircraft industry, here is revenue data from 2016:



For aircraft industry that is USA companies in seven of the top nine, including Boeing at #1 by a long way. You can't say they don't produce many TYPES of aircraft, Boeing alone is currently manufacturing everything from 737/777/787 to F-18s to V-22s to AH-64s to rockets to satellites and many more. I have no idea why you think this is an indicator against USA manufacturing.

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How many USA television sets do you see in USA stores when you shop? What’s USA’s proportion of global production for many, if not the same industries that you mention in your posts? What was and what now is USA’s proportion of the world’s locomotives, ships, cargo aircraft, trucks, camera’s, washing machines, steel, aluminum, precision instrument, production line robots, and whatever other comparatively, more precise quality products produced on production lines rather than as entirely custom ordered and built from scratch individual units, do you care to mention?
You seem to be to think other countries producing more types high-end items than before means USA is no longer producing many types high end items, it does not. The very fact one can easily name a cross section of US companies that produce such a very diverse group of products that drive the US manufacturing industry proves your claim false.


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We have the largest arm forces budgets and purchase the most military aircraft, ships and boats, vehicles, and electronic gear. It’s politically impossible to pass a U.S. military budget that doesn’t “buy USA”; but we are, as we should and as we must scratch for everything else. We are no longer the undeniably most and best producers.
You're again stating A to support B, it doesn't. Nothing in this quote supports your claim that USA no longer manufactures many types of high end products. If you'd like to change the thread to something about whether USA is leading in some subjective category like "best" have at it.

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Old Yesterday, 07:34 AM
 
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USA may no longer be producing the majority of the world commercial aircraft.
Instead of trying to prove your point with speculation and the word "may" why not just look it up?

Here is a list of countries by aircraft and spacecraft exports, with USA at #1:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ecraft_exports

Here is top producer of airplanes in 2017, Boeing led for sixth year in a row:
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...uction-record/

But it doesn't really matter, because regardless of whether Boeing or USA are #1 or #4 the fact remains they have a strong aircraft industry so it isn't something to point at as an indicator that USA does not produce high end products or a many types of high end products.
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