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Old 12-25-2018, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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People who spend time trying to cast Scrooge in a good light are the sort of people who value a cent more than basic humanity. Those who want to care about nothing more than the balance sheet are free to do so. However, they should not expect a pat on the head and validation from the world at large. They're certainly not going to get it from me.

(and if they can't handle that, then aren't they quite the snowflakes!)
Not all the posts in this thread are "progressive" blather, but among those which are, this one is either the most simplistic, or the most deliberately deceptive.

In Dickens' England and Dickens' time, physical productivity -- the ability to produce and improve the basics of daily life, was expanding at a rate never before encountered (and that rate of expansion would increase much further and faster); what was yet to be fully understood was the method by which the benefits of industrialization found their ways into the lives of ordinary citizens, And the legacy of the Enclosure Acts, which forced the peasantry into urban slums, would cloud the picture for many more years,

None of these effects, nor their causes, found their way into Dickens writings, for reasons which are obvious; sentimentality sells -- and pragmatism doesn't. Scrooge had to be depicted as a hostile miser, even though many more-enlightened individuals held to a less-harsh stance at the time.

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Why is it bad to be rich and be fine with your employees living in poverty? If you don't see a problem with that, nothing I can say will change your mind.

He could have made a huge difference to others, with very little impact to himself.
Because, in many instances, the small employer, competing in a small market, can't afford to put him/herself at a disadvantage if his/her competitors don't; he/she may be able to recognize and pay lip service to the more-enlightened of the workforce, but too many roles in the post-industrial economy are dull, repetitive, and too often based upon the immediate impressions of a choosey recipient of soon-forgotten personal service. Too often the role of a front- line supervisor is to get the thankless, gritty jobs done, day after day -- to hold noses to the grindstone and crack the whip.

(Yes. my little Snowflakes, we know: "trickle-down" economics is sooo slow, and sooo unattractive to those with a short attention span; better to promise "redistribution", despite the fact that most of what you seek to seize and dedistribute will simply vanish if you start rattling your sabers.

We've seen plenty of oversimplified hate-mongering in this forum over the past couple of days; It's coming from "the usual suspects/quarters", and the strength of the vitriol is clearly intensifying. And it remains to be seen how Scrooge's intended contemporary -- the current occupant of the White House -- plays his hand. But I'm not unconvinced that he has a clearer picture of his role and choice of strategies than he's letting on.

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Old 12-25-2018, 10:43 PM
 
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Why is it bad to be rich and be fine with your employees living in poverty? If you don't see a problem with that, nothing I can say will change your mind.

He could have made a huge difference to others, with very little impact to himself.
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Old 12-25-2018, 10:50 PM
 
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He was considered bad because he wasn't throwing money around all the time, it seems.

I didn't think he was horrible. Just very frugal. There were other issues in his life stemming from his childhood.

Scrooge wasn't living a lavish lifestyle himself. He lived below his means so his lifestyle wasn't much different from the Cratchitt's.
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Old 12-25-2018, 10:54 PM
 
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Scrooge wasn't living a lavish lifestyle himself. He lived below his means so his lifestyle wasn't much different from the Cratchitt's.
What? And when did the story go into his childhood?
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:03 PM
 
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What? And when did the story go into his childhood?
I think at least one of the movies show him at boarding school. Everyone else leaves and he is left behind.
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:09 PM
 
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I think at least one of the movies show him at boarding school. Everyone else leaves and he is left behind.
Which one? Not saying it doesn't exist, but saying this is not the typical story line.

Wait. Is this Scrooge McDuck?!!
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:19 PM
 
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Which one? Not saying it doesn't exist, but saying this is not the typical story line.

Wait. Is this Scrooge McDuck?!!
I'm not sure which version I saw. It was human actors. It's in the Wiki too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Scrooge
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:25 PM
 
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I'm not sure which version I saw. It was human actors. It's in the Wiki too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Scrooge
So not the original author's intent?
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:35 PM
 
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So not the original author's intent?
The Wiki link says it was also in the book.
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Old 12-25-2018, 11:50 PM
 
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What? And when did the story go into his childhood?
You never read the book?
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