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Old 01-11-2019, 09:38 PM
 
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No, the wealth is when you talk someone into buying it for more than what it was purchased for...

Take away investments and you stop technology/advancement

Tax everyone like it was 19xx and you have to force everyone to live like it too. Take away all the life saving medicine and care, take away your iPhone and air conditioning

Technology didn't advance in the middle ages because no one was funding it... Not investors or the oligarchy
This is a very important point that too many are just not aware of. The creation of the corporate form of business, specifically with the British and Dutch East India Trading Company’s in 1600 and 1602, is one of the greatest inventions of mankind. It is responsible for more technological advancement, and more improvement in the lives of mankind, than just about anything else. Without corporations, it’s unlikey that we would have progressed much beyond where we were in the Middle Ages.

 
Old 01-11-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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There are many involved in the stock market, more than just yourself. It’s cumulative and helps concentrate wealth into the needs of private corporations.
That is a complete and total non answer.

The question is simple. You should have no problem answering it.

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Old 01-11-2019, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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1. There are other forms of investment besides private investment. There is cooperative investments which would hopefully replace the business investments that drive our economy.
Questions: What do you call a large-scale cooperative investment?

Answer: A corporation.

Again, the sort of communal/co-op investment approach you promote simply doesn’t scale. Corporations became as prominent as they currently are because they scale up well.

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The question should be why does retirement rely on the wealth of private corporations.
Because the alternative is relying on your many children to support you in your old age (which doesn’t work well in industrial or post-industrial societies).
 
Old 01-11-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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Again, this is not correct.

Read about the history of industrial capitalism, why the British Empire embraced free trade, and why the civil war happened.

It had nothing to do with the fact that the Union or the British wanted to practice natural existence, it was because it was the most efficient model at increasing state wealth and international influence.

As for your claim on freedom, before the state model, people only had personal property and never gave goods value besides that in each trading scenario.

Capital value is a tool to store and accumulate wealth, just look at the commodity or high end housing market.

Before legal power, no one practiced free market capitalism.
ROTFL!

It’s like the OP is a college student taking a full load of SJW courses at the local community college, and is trying out term paper ideas by posting ridiculous threads on CD, and copy/pasting the responses for his teachers.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 09:52 PM
 
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Any bets we have a non investor here ..... nothing is ever suggested that affects the person with the bad idea. It always affects others .
Yep, that's always the way.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 10:03 PM
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What nonsense, this will solve nothing...............90%, HAHA!
 
Old 01-11-2019, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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ROTFL!

It’s like the OP is a college student taking a full load of SJW courses at the local community college, and is trying out term paper ideas by posting ridiculous threads on CD, and copy/pasting the responses for his teachers.
Read history, why was the slave/agriculture economy ended, and why was industrialization promoted.

Why did both major parliamentary parties in Britain agree on free trade policies within the empire, again it had nothing to do with freedom.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That is a complete and total non answer.

The question is simple. You should have no problem answering it.
Could you clarify your question, because from what I understood you claimed that because one person investing in Apple’s stock doesn’t change the value of the company stocks don’t affect Apple at all.

Which is ridiculous of course.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Questions: What do you call a large-scale cooperative investment?

Answer: A corporation.

Again, the sort of communal/co-op investment approach you promote simply doesn’t scale. Corporations became as prominent as they currently are because they scale up well.



Because the alternative is relying on your many children to support you in your old age (which doesn’t work well in industrial or post-industrial societies).
Having a network of localities forming a larger country is possible, the key is to decentralize power, and I’m fine with less economic ‘efficiency’.

Remember, networks and cohesive production can still be done based on mutual agreement rather than corporate planning.

As for retirees, if costs for living and medical care weren’t so high, they could be cared for by family and community services that everyone supports for the mutual aid of all the different families.

Again, stock investments shouldn’t control the future of the elder population.
 
Old 01-11-2019, 11:03 PM
 
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Read history, why was the slave/agriculture economy ended, and why was industrialization promoted.
In the US, it ended due to the outcome of the Civil War. It would have ended on its own due to no longer being economically viable.

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Why did both major parliamentary parties in Britain agree on free trade policies within the empire, again it had nothing to do with freedom.
I wait anxiously for you to tell me. . .
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