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Old Yesterday, 10:12 PM
 
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It sounding like that to you doesn't change the fact you have no idea what you're talking about when comparing buying stock in a company to a ponzi scheme.

The value of the part you own can increase and be sold, thus earning a profit. It's called a capital gain. That capital gain has value, I use it to buy fun things like beer and rent.

Correct for the most part (a first for you) but the "share" is not make believe, and none of this validates your claim that it is a ponzi scheme.
If the only value is selling it in the future at higher price, then yes is ponzi scheme. The "value" has to be keeping it and garnering money. If the only way to make money is to make next person believe they can sell at an even later date for yet an even higher price, then yes it is ponzi.

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Today, we have a terrible shortage, of homes and apartments in much of this country. If capital gains tax was 90% on profit when s.old, the owners would get rid of their investments in rentals. No new rentals would be built, and currant rental homes would be sold.
There is a population drain elsewhere. Those people who cannot find home where they want have to move.
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Old Yesterday, 11:03 PM
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It gives him more capital to sell and buy back stocks, as well as support Amazon with his personal wealth through lobbying and other means.
SMDH.
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Old Yesterday, 11:07 PM
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If the only value is selling it in the future at higher price, then yes is ponzi scheme. The "value" has to be keeping it and garnering money. If the only way to make money is to make next person believe they can sell at an even later date for yet an even higher price, then yes it is ponzi.

There is a population drain elsewhere. Those people who cannot find home where they want have to move.
While it may be an example of the greater fool theory, it clearly isnít a Ponzi scheme.
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Old Today, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by TaxPhd View Post
SMDH.
That was only a part of my argument regardless of how much affect it has.
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Old Today, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It can also be said that if wages are to low for the poor class, they would not make the effort to get a job and would instead hold up people at gun point and take what they need.

I do not agree with either scenario but it works both ways.


We talk about the wealthy not willing to invest if there is no return on their investment.
Imagine how it is for people where there is no return on their survival.

An wise investor will just find other avenues to exploit.
A dumb poor person will will go back to the cave man era and take what they want.
When corporations invest in a market to increase economic activity and high end real estate, prices rise for everyone.

Why do you think major cities have become unaffordable for normal people.
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Old Today, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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any bets we have a non investor here ..... nothing is ever suggested that effects the person with the bad idea . it always effects others .
Amen Mathjack
Next mot sure why would anyone suggest not saving and investing...
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Old Today, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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I don't want long term investment.

The goal is to lower all long and short term investments as not to inflate value and corporate wealth.

If society does not need to make money to survive, people would not be slaves to those with the greatest economic power.

Is life better when investments are growing the economy, or when people look after one another.
So you're basing this entire economic system on the kindness of strangers??
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Old Today, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Northern Michigan
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So you're basing this entire economic system on the kindness of strangers??
HaHa! That made me laugh!
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Old Today, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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So you're basing this entire economic system on the kindness of strangers??
Mutual Aid is not kindness, itís human nature.

Read Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution.
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Old Today, 08:24 AM
 
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I think we should tax everything at 90% and have the govt. decide what you should do for a living.

Great thread!!
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