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Old 01-13-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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In terms of typing, not on the current discussion we’re having.
Every sane person disagrees with that.

 
Old 01-13-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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No it’s not, it helps increase economic activity and state revenue, but it makes workers reliant on an employer who doesn’t have there interests in mind, it closes down local competition, at it raises real estate value for everyone else who cannot afford it.

And electric infrastructure and plumbing can be handled by local cooperatives like in Nebraska, lower corporate investment and economic activity does not mean going backwards in terms of technological advances.
It's been noted in several publications that utilities are discounting utility rates to companies like Amazon and the utilities are passing the costs on to other customers...code for regular customers picking up the slack. Rarely is it an equitable exchange.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 01:45 PM
 
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It's been noted in several publications that utilities are discounting utility rates to companies like Amazon and the utilities are passing the costs on to other customers...code for regular customers picking up the slack. Rarely is it an equitable exchange.

I know nothing about this, but it sounds like something that shouldn't get past the PUC. Do you know any details?
 
Old 01-13-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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It's been noted in several publications that utilities are discounting utility rates to companies like Amazon and the utilities are passing the costs on to other customers...code for regular customers picking up the slack. Rarely is it an equitable exchange.
Big users always get discounts.. you could too .. just use as much as they do
 
Old 01-13-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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Big users always get discounts.. you could too .. just use as much as they do
You mean if I use 1000x what Joe Blow does I can get a discount to list rate? It only happens in just about every business
 
Old 01-13-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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So you're basing this entire economic system on the kindness of strangers??
Don't forget the unicorns. There will be plenty of unicorns. And fairy dust.

 
Old 01-13-2019, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside seattle area
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It's been noted in several publications that utilities are discounting utility rates to companies like Amazon and the utilities are passing the costs on to other customers...code for regular customers picking up the slack. Rarely is it an equitable exchange.
Amazon HDQR1, Seattle; Puget Sound Energy (aka PSE) has had comparatively inexpensive electric and gas rates. We are in no hurry to switch our personal and rentals' electric range and resistance heating to gas or heatpumps. Our previous Oregon properties were under Portland General (POR) region and runs 2x what the public utility, at our property line, charges at 6.5 ˘ per KWH.

The server farms that AAPL, FB, GoogL, and AMZN have in central Oregon and Columbia River's dam electric generation are under local PUDs and BPA strictures. I am not convinced if our local rates are affected by these Farms but fairly confident that the PNW's excess power is more limited for sale to California because there are so many Farms using so much power.

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Old 01-13-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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I know nothing about this, but it sounds like something that shouldn't get past the PUC. Do you know any details?

There have been articles from Bloomberg to stories on Fox News about this.

As for state public service commissions...they have become a joke in my opinion. They are asleep at the wheel. Public utilities are retiring coal plants and passing those expenses on ratepayers/families in their communities via rate increases that the commissions should be putting a stop to. Also, these same companies are passing the capital build expenses (gas, wind, battery) on to the ratepayers while profits go to stockholders.

Cooperatives are a bit less guilty IMO.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Thailand
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If the only value is selling it in the future at higher price, then yes is ponzi scheme. The "value" has to be keeping it and garnering money. If the only way to make money is to make next person believe they can sell at an even later date for yet an even higher price, then yes it is ponzi.
Again you're basically screaming that you don't know the definition of a ponzi scheme. A ponzi scheme is fraudulent because there is no actual underlying enterprise generating growth and revenue, it promises quick returns, and it requires an ever increasing base of investors to stay afloat thus guaranteeing eventual collapse.

Investing in an actual company doesn't fit any of those criteria. It's an actual company, there is no promise of returns, and it doesn't require a constantly increasing base of investors to exist since a company doesn't have to issue new shares and can in fact buy back (see Apple Inc). People were buying shares of GE as an original component of the DJIA over 120 years ago, that's just a ponzi scheme that never collapsed despite fitting your silly description because folks want to sell shares for a higher price in the future?

Using your definition someone investing in real estate or art is also in a ponzi scheme, since their goal is to sell at a higher price in the future. Those folks that scoop up the Super Bowl or U-2 tickets to sell online in the future are a ponzi scheme. The cute gothy chick running the vintage store down the street is running a ponzi scheme since she buys articles of clothing and attempts to sell them in the future at a higher price. My nephew who is in his 20s but is still holding on to all his old Star Wars toys to sell someday is Mr. Ponzi Schemer.

You aren't making sense.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Thailand
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Why do you think major cities have become unaffordable for normal people.
So every normal person living in Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Diego, Chicago, etc. cannot afford to live there, yet tens of millions of them are doing so anyway because they haven't heard the wise words of Winterfall to know that they cannot possibly be doing that which they are actually doing.

Do you even hear yourself?
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