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Old 01-23-2019, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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TAverage wage range for food service workers tops out at around $15/hr. So in one fell swoop, they attempted to create a new floor which is going to weed out the less productive.
"Productivity" has next to nothing to do with things like the restaurant industry, which is yet another sector more governed by fad, whim and chance than any hard factors.

 
Old 01-23-2019, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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They cited the case of Angelica Kitchen as an example of the impact of the minimum wage hike.

"The pioneering East Village vegan eatery is slated to close on April 7th, after forty years of operation—its owner, Leslie McEachern, said that rising rents and a changing neighborhood led to its demise."
WTF?

The article says nothing about a wage hike being an issue, and your quote puts that plainly.
 
Old 01-23-2019, 04:25 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Can you give me an example of GOP discriminating against gays?
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Oh come on, they are very anti-same sex marriage. Are we really having this conversation?
No, you're not really having a conversation.
This Republican is typical. And I could not care less about same-sex marriage. The anti-same sex position you refer to is simply fantasy made up by Democrats so that they can feel superior.
 
Old 01-23-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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Ok we're done here.
Haha. STILL no proof.
 
Old 01-23-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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No, you're not really having a conversation.
This Republican is typical. And I could not care less about same-sex marriage. The anti-same sex position you refer to is simply fantasy made up by Democrats so that they can feel superior.
You are sooooo right....complete fantasy.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-sex-marriage

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/09/...om-bills-2019/

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...rriage-n855836

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0a0ba4ad45681

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...n-sex-marriage

https://www.hrc.org/2016RepublicanFacts/ted-cruz

Remember the rhetoric when they went crazy and started comparing same sex marriage to marriage with an animal? Or inanimate object?

I mean, I could go on and on, but is it really necessary?

Generally I feel I am a logical person and try to view things objectively but if someone is unable to see an unbiased position you cannot have a conversation. It's their outspoken views that become the only facts (to them).
 
Old 01-23-2019, 05:12 PM
 
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Sure hope the owner cut his salary too.
Wouldn't it make more sense to double his wage, since he had to double the wage of his employees, despite them not adding any additional value?
 
Old 01-23-2019, 08:31 PM
 
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https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...-minimum-wage/

....Jon Bloostein, the operator of six New York City restaurants with 50 to 110 workers on the payroll at each, said the wage hike is “an immense cost” for his business to shoulder.

“We lost control of our largest controllable expense,” he told CBS News. “So in order to live with that and stay in business, we’re cutting hours.”

Bloostein said he has increased the prices on the restaurant menu and staggered employee start times to cut down on costs....




Wow. Shocking.
Who'd have expected any different outcome?
 
Old 01-23-2019, 08:37 PM
 
Location: USA
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“Costs walk.”
 
Old 01-23-2019, 08:41 PM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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A rise to $15 would be a huge hit to restaurants, who often operate under an hourly minimum far below standard MW because the workers make much of their income from tips.

But then, tipping is an idiotic, out of control system belonging to another age of business and service. Restaurants should pay a market wage, discourage or forbid tipping and set prices like every other business as as consequence.

This is another example of why you can't arbitrarily change one element in a complex economic system. A high minimum wage for service workers should have been accompanied by other changes.
This is why I severely reduced eating out at places that use tipping. At some point, 15% became 20%. Like with this situation, they hire less people due to a MW hike, i just eat out much less often.
 
Old 01-23-2019, 08:46 PM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...-minimum-wage/

....Jon Bloostein, the operator of six New York City restaurants with 50 to 110 workers on the payroll at each, said the wage hike is “an immense cost” for his business to shoulder.

“We lost control of our largest controllable expense,” he told CBS News. “So in order to live with that and stay in business, we’re cutting hours.”

Bloostein said he has increased the prices on the restaurant menu and staggered employee start times to cut down on costs....




Wow. Shocking.
I have a feeling many of these restaurants are "living pay check to pay check". When I got my first job, I made sure that rent would be no more than 20% of my income, and to account for rent increases (let's face it. Rent always goes up, never down). My rent went up 30% over the course of a few years, but I didn't demand my employer raise my salary to match that "or else". Yes, I had less spending money, but I was still able to set aside money each month.

Also, when cost of goods and services they rely on to run their business goes up, do they complain about that? It seems like they make a stink about MW only because they can politicize it. These are also the same types of businesses who'll find ways to nickel and dime you while saying "we need to do this to survive". HINT: businesses have been known to lie.
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