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Old 01-24-2019, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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Originally Posted by blueherons View Post
I am a fourth generation restaurateur here and can give you some input here.

When you force restaurants to pay $15 an hour to servers, you will start seeing all those great mom and pops go out of business.

You'll be left with a bunch of Outback Steakhouses, TGI Fridays, and Olive Gardens.

The best run restaurants in the world only clear about $0.05 on the dollar.

Profit margins for restaurants are tiny.

Who loses out on this the most? The servers. Believe me, servers do not want this change.
Well said.

The same goes for other small businesses. I work for a small-town lumberyard. I make less than $15 an hour, but with overtime my paycheck ends up being the same as someone making $17 an hour at 40 hours a week.

Being located in a small town we have to charge a little more than the big box stores, partly because we don't have as much buying power and partly because our lower volume of sales necessitates a higher markup. We're able to overcome most objections to the higher prices - which aren't nearly as high as the big box advertising schemes would lead you to believe, by the way - by offering a significantly higher level of service.

If the minimum wage were raised to $15 an hour, the first thing that would happen would be a moratorium on overtime. To me this would bean a pay cut, despite the fact that my hourly wage would be higher. To our customers this would be a reduction in the level of service because there would be frequent periods of time where only one person was on duty. Without the service more customers would choose to drive to the big box to save a few bucks, and eventually we'd end up with no choice but to close. This would leave several local people unemployed and the residents of the community would have to drive 20 miles to buy a light bulb or a furnace filter.

Our business isn't unique, eventually the same thing would happen to all the other independent yards in the area. Sooner or later the big box would be the only place to go for materials, at which point they'd have nobody to keep them honest with regard to pricing.

People who think that a significantly higher minimum wage will solve anything aren'tlooking at the big picture.

 
Old 01-24-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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Well I personally don't know anyone that is against same sex marriage either, yet somehow a large section of our country consistently votes along that and other religious lines. It's literally a bullet point for the elected reps in those areas.

I honestly don't think you actually believe what you typed. No educated person can be that ignorant.
I am gay.. and I'm not against same sex 'marriage' (because who cares?) but I've always thought it was laughable and pretty pointless.
No one I know has any real interest in doing it any more.
Besides, it seemed that only the poor partner was ever really interested in getting hitched!
And no one ever got 'divorced'.. they just split up and ignored the whole thing.
Talk about a fad!


Oh yeah, minimum wage is only a BFD because the jobs in a modern economy are highly polarized so people without brains, skills, or natural talent are being left in the dust.
And that's half the population.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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I found a legitimate news source for this. Your partisan hack source isn't quite right. They are not "slashing staff."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-res...ke-hitting-15/

The $2 increase applies to restaurants that have 11 or more workers. Most (not all) NYC restaurants are cutting workers' hours to stay afloat. Only some will be firing workers. Some will be increasing menu prices, too.

This is forcing restaurants to be more efficient. One said he won't be using the hosts/hostesses during lunch on light days. That sounds efficient, since they are not really needed.

So they will become more efficient and raise menu prices a bit. If that's what it takes for people to be paid decently, then that is the right thing to do.

This was a minimum wage hike plan that started years ago. These restaurants knew this was coming. I think this was the goal...$15/hr.

And...workers are customers, too. Workers who get paid more, spend more. NYC has hiked the min. wage several times in the last few years. It didn't negatively affect its economy.

My philosophy is...if you can't afford to pay employees decently, then maybe your business isn't viable.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Such a stupid law, a much better approach to higher wages would be to create more demand for labor through progrowth policies and let the wages rise as the labor supply shrinks.
Careful, now. That kind of talk will get Eisenhower elected again.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by bpollen View Post
I found a legitimate news source for this. Your partisan hack source isn't quite right. They are not "slashing staff."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nyc-res...ke-hitting-15/

The $2 increase applies to restaurants that have 11 or more workers. Most (not all) NYC restaurants are cutting workers' hours to stay afloat. Only some will be firing workers. Some will be increasing menu prices, too.

This is forcing restaurants to be more efficient. One said he won't be using the hosts/hostesses during lunch on light days. That sounds efficient, since they are not really needed.

So they will become more efficient and raise menu prices a bit. If that's what it takes for people to be paid decently, then that is the right thing to do.

This was a minimum wage hike plan that started years ago. These restaurants knew this was coming. I think this was the goal...$15/hr.

And...workers are customers, too. Workers who get paid more, spend more. NYC has hiked the min. wage several times in the last few years. It didn't negatively affect its economy.

My philosophy is...if you can't afford to pay employees decently, then maybe your business isn't viable.
My philosophy is, until you buy my business, you donít get to decide if itís viable or not. Barely surviving businesses are part of the economy as well as thriving businesses, and much of todayís business shake-outs are due to normal business cycles in addition to the financial industryís insistence upon both near-zero risk and usury level interest rates, combined with ever-shrinking lines of credit that used to allow for seasonal differences in profitability.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 12:52 PM
 
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California Proposition 8 was a proposition passed by the electorate in California, defining "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Ted Olson is the attorney who fought against Prop 8 - all the way to the US Supreme Court. Normally, you might expect the legal team to consist of left wing progressives - but what's surprising is that the charge was co-led by Ted Olson - one of the most conservative lawyers in America.

Ted is a true conservative, a former Solicitor General under George W. Bush. Do you remember Bush v. Gore - the US Supreme Court Case regarding the vote in Florida ("hanging chads")? That was argued in front of SCOTUS by Ted Olson (representing the Bush) and David Boise (representing Gore).

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/poli...riage-equality

I recommend a documentary titled "The Case Against 8":
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/the-case-against-8 and also
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5662442/?ref_=nv_sr_2

It chronicles how and why conservative Republicans are in favor of same sex marriage.
Yes, lots of VERY religious Latinos in CA, really not an accurate representation. And it proves my point even more - the religious right have a stranglehold on the GOP.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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Breitbart. A most credible source.


I took this in a lower cost of living part of Massachusetts 2 1/2 years ago. In Boston, a Dunkin Donuts would pay at least $15/hour and would have trouble filling open positions. With a quick Google, I see the average NYC waiter wage is pushing $25/hour.



 
Old 01-24-2019, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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Breitbart. A most credible source.


I took this in a lower cost of living part of Massachusetts 2 1/2 years ago. In Boston, a Dunkin Donuts would pay at least $15/hour and would have trouble filling open positions. With a quick Google, I see the average NYC waiter wage is pushing $25/hour.


"Plus tips."

What kind of tips does one get at Dunkin Donuts? The tip jar on the counter normally just has a few dollars in it, and it must be divided among staff. So, during your shift, the tip jar accumulated $10 in change, that must now be divided into 4.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 02:52 PM
 
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My philosophy is, until you buy my business, you donít get to decide if itís viable or not. Barely surviving businesses are part of the economy as well as thriving businesses, and much of todayís business shake-outs are due to normal business cycles in addition to the financial industryís insistence upon both near-zero risk and usury level interest rates, combined with ever-shrinking lines of credit that used to allow for seasonal differences in profitability.
Yes, but as a voter, I do get to elect politicians who get to decide the rules you have to play under.

Being a business owner doesn't make one omnipotent or be allowed to have free reign.
 
Old 01-24-2019, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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What kind of tips does one get at Dunkin Donuts? The tip jar on the counter normally just has a few dollars in it, and it must be divided among staff. So, during your shift, the tip jar accumulated $10 in change, that must now be divided into 4.
Fortunately, four college grads should find it easy to do that math.
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