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Old 02-07-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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I passed by this cover on the way to my desk at work and about fell over from laughter.

Bloomberg.


You can read the accompanying article on the site.

I was stunned to see her on the cover. Seriously speaking, is there anyone in the business community that sees her plans as economically viable? I don't want to jump on the hate-Ocasio bandwagon but I don't see any logic in her current tax plan.

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Old 02-07-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Yes, yes, the right's new boogiewoman. After all, Clinton's out of the game and Pelosi's getting old.


But non-news. Even from a fairly far left position, I put her in the category of those Berkeley state representatives who are forever entering bills to ban cars and give away bicycles and change the bottom stripe on the state flag to green, if not rainbow.

She has good ideas and I hope she is an influence on her more sober and seasoned colleagues on both sides of the aisle. But she's not worth a tenth of the ink she's getting, especially all the shock, awe and panic from the right. And she's a reflected example of why Bernie would have made an even worse president than His Royal Tantrumness.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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She’ll burn out and be a nobody. She’s on the fringe, most democrats when given another choice, will go with the other choice.

The US could easily afford free college for kids coming from families making sub six figures, it’d cost a rounding error.

The US can afford Medicare for all. We’re already paying for it with a lot of waste, we the taxpayers just get nothing for it. Our medical system though is structurally broken. The only real way to fix it is totally destroy it and start over, but nobody has the backbone for that.

She’s “popular” right now and probably helps them sell some copies. Beyond that, she’ll be forgotten soon enough.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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She’ll burn out and be a nobody.
Not necessarily. Remember Jerry Brown was considered something in between a stupid young kid and a hopeless "moonbat" idealist. He didn't accomplish much in his first ride, but 30 years of hard political seasoning and he turned into the miracle worker California needed.

But it all does take the realization that politics is a system, and you can't just jump in and start yanking levers whether you're Carter, Brown, Reagan, Trump or AOC.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Olympus Mons, Mars
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why stop... free beer for all, free hamburgers for all, free pizza for all, free >> INSERT PERSONAL REQUIREMENT HERE << for all... whatever it is the government will take care of it.... oh, nevermind, the govt has no money actually so it will be forcefully extorted from others who bust their behind!!
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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why stop... free beer for all, free hamburgers for all, free pizza for all, free >> INSERT PERSONAL REQUIREMENT HERE << for all... whatever it is the government will take care of it.
Of course we need to start with free slippery slopes. Burlap sacks to your left. I mean, right.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Our medical system though is structurally broken. The only real way to fix it is totally destroy it and start over, but nobody has the backbone for that.
A whole lot of blame for our broken system lies with the individual. Obesity and indifference toward healthy living is rampant. It's common sense that prevention is a million times cheaper than cures but our system favors shying away from telling people to their face the hard truth that they are health delinquents who need to exercise and eat right because they do not want to "offend" anyone. We even have a fat acceptance movement now.

People cite Norway and Sweden as examples of great health care without noting that those populations are much healthier and the rate of obesity, diabetes and heart disease there is much much lower.

You can't force people to be healthy but it is essential to put some culpability on the individual. Huge subsidies should be given to people who prove to their doctors that they are doing everything in their power to live a healthy lifestyle while people who are indifferent to healthy living should INFACT be burdened with very high insurance costs and should not receive a penny of assistance. This is the norm in other areas like auto insurance - drive like a maniac and you will never get insured.
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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Not necessarily. Remember Jerry Brown was considered something in between a stupid young kid and a hopeless "moonbat" idealist. He didn't accomplish much in his first ride, but 30 years of hard political seasoning and he turned into the miracle worker California needed.

But it all does take the realization that politics is a system, and you can't just jump in and start yanking levers whether you're Carter, Brown, Reagan, Trump or AOC.
How can you use the words Jerry Brown, California and miracle worker in the same sentence when California has the worst cost of living adjusted poverty numbers in the country?


https://www.politifact.com/californi...overty-rate-w/
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Not necessarily. Remember Jerry Brown was considered something in between a stupid young kid and a hopeless "moonbat" idealist. He didn't accomplish much in his first ride, but 30 years of hard political seasoning and he turned into the miracle worker California needed.

But it all does take the realization that politics is a system, and you can't just jump in and start yanking levers whether you're Carter, Brown, Reagan, Trump or AOC.
Local and national politics are different beasts.

As crazy as national politics can be, crazy local politics is normal.

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A whole lot of blame for our broken system lies with the individual. Obesity and indifference toward healthy living is rampant. It's common sense that prevention is a million times cheaper than cures but our system favors shying away from telling people to their face the hard truth that they are health delinquents who need to exercise and eat right because they do not want to "offend" anyone. We even have a fat acceptance movement now.

People cite Norway and Sweden as examples of great health care without noting that those populations are much healthier and the rate of obesity, diabetes and heart disease there is much much lower.

You can't force people to be healthy but it is essential to put some culpability on the individual. Huge subsidies should be given to people who prove to their doctors that they are doing everything in their power to live a healthy lifestyle while people who are indifferent to healthy living should INFACT be burdened with very high insurance costs and should not receive a penny of assistance. This is the norm in other areas like auto insurance - drive like a maniac and you will never get insured.
The UK and Australia have a bunch of fat people.

They spend less than half as much on health care.

Fat people are an issue, but not the issue.
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:10 PM
 
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How can you use the words Jerry Brown, California and miracle worker in the same sentence when California has the worst cost of living adjusted poverty numbers in the country?
Maybe because the state was barreling over a cliff when Brown took over and is now in one of its most impressive economic booms of all time, leading the US in almost every respect and still setting goals (like emissions reductions) for the rest to follow.

It is utterly unsurprising, and perhaps not avoidable, that magnifying the positive aspects of the economy also magnify the immense and endemic problem of income and wealth inequality. But California didn't invent that and is rather far from alone in having the problems. Don't be surprised when they're in the vanguard of solving it, though, by doing all those things red 'Murrica finds too distasteful.
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