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Old 04-10-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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The day such a bill is even seriously proposed, everyone cashes out their IRA Roth accounts.
It will apply retroactively to gains taken within that calendar year. Plus roth has penalties for early withdrawals so its held hostage.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:07 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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We have a crises coming. Too many people will be old, and very few of them have anything saved to pay for when they can no longer work.

There is one pocket of money available to resolve this crises. The 401K funds and other investments of those who saved for retirement.
Have you read the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper?

Over my dead body.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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It will apply retroactively to gains taken within that calendar year. Plus roth has penalties for early withdrawals so its held hostage.

The penalties would likely be less than the tax and retroactive application would get immediately challenged in court. In fact, taxing any gains accrued prior to enactment would get challenged.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: North West Arkansas (zone 6b)
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Which is why the next Democratic President will use the powers of the “Executive Order” to enact serious gun control reform. I’m totally against it, but I can definitely see it happening sooner rather than later.

Things are about to change in ways most of us would never have believed, and I for one fear for the well being of my children and grandchildren.
I've instructed my kids not to have children.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:22 PM
 
Location: North West Arkansas (zone 6b)
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It will apply retroactively to gains taken within that calendar year. Plus roth has penalties for early withdrawals so its held hostage.
fear mongering.

same with the threat of taking the guns.
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Old 04-16-2019, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Boston
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gloom and doom ...lmao .... for your delusional futuristic scenario to come to being, you'd need Congress to approve of it.

Think they're going to campaign on taking your 401's? lol...so ridiculous you guys should get second jobs like big boys do that want more money, not crying the blues with this silliness.
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Old 04-16-2019, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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Instead of directly taking away 401k's, couldn't they say if you have a 401k you get reduced or no social security? That would be one way to deal with national debt, and shrinking social security funds.
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Just to make sure that I understand, before I call you out as either a liar or a fool, are you claiming that how income is used can change the nature of that income from taxable to non - taxable?

What license do you hold that would be in jeopardy if you were to provide some details of what you are claiming?
I don't know what license that is, but I'm fairly certain a BS degree is required to obtain it.
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Old 04-17-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Spain
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couldn't they say if you have a 401k you get reduced or no social security?
What was the goal of 401k? To encourage savings and investment for retirement. I don't believe reducing social security, thus telling people they actually get less of the retirement income they contributed to if you have a 401k is in line with that goal. The incentive goes away.
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Old 04-17-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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What kind of IRAs do you have that you don’t pay taxes on when you take them out? Other than ROTH.
Any of them depending on your income. Let’s say i put in 50k into my ira pretax, at retirement it is worth 100k so I take out 24k a year married filing jointly and my income total is 24k, my federal income tax owed is what after taking the standard deduction?
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