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Old Yesterday, 06:58 PM
 
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Who are "they" doing all this "engineering"??? And what possible advantage is there for "them" in subsidizing more welfare??
The "they" are evidently the "global elite", whoever that is. Perhaps we need to shift the discussion over to the Politics Forum, to find out.

My own concern is actually the opposite... that what we DO need, is something like a global elite, to influence the public policies of the various nations. We need more trans-national coordination, not less. We need a stronger UN, not a weaker one. We need a stronger EU, not a fragmented and compromised one. Just as no peasant in the village can either solve the village's problems, or be expected to behave in a way most conducive to the security or prosperity of the village, so too, neither can we expect this from any single country - even an enormous one such as the US.

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...From traveling and reading about a lot of global issues, I see many countries who are tied to the U.S. economically and culturally. They sink or swim based on what the U.S. does. With the way the world markets are connected now, I don't see an easy way to dislodge the U.S. from its current position.
The modern US is less of a global hegemon than a coffeehouse to the world. It's the place where people come to exchange ideas, to file patents, to start tech-firms, to promulgate new methods and concepts. The US is the global meeting-place, the public spot where any and all are welcome... or at least, should be welcome. This idea is missed both by American nationalists, who think that America is only for Americans, and worldwide critics of American influence, who see America as a big bad bully out to shake the world down for its own narrow interests.
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Old Yesterday, 08:19 PM
 
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if you think this is a decline you should have been around with us in the 1970's when i got dumped out of school in to vietnam ,,, the highest unemployment since the great depression , double digit inflation , a dead stock market , no gas , soaring oil prices and riots in the streets with students being killed in demonstrations at college .
Yep! I was right there with you! Except I didn't go to Viet Nam
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Old Yesterday, 10:04 PM
 
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What's the poverty rate?

Yes, California has a high poverty rate. A lot of is driven by the Central Valley, where families of immigrant agricultural workers live. The poverty rate is considerably lower in the main metro areas.
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Old Yesterday, 10:13 PM
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Yeah when I was 30 I was also wondering if the system was screwed up. But, we were having the actual great Recession then. If you really think its bad when things are actually going great... then wait till you see it when its bad. Perhaps the issue is you aren't as successful as you envisioned you would be by now. Good thing is you have a lot of time to fix that still.
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Old Yesterday, 11:28 PM
 
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Most of the most unaffordable cities are in California.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/...-whack/561404/

I remember when you could buy a detached home across from La Jolla for about 150K and spend about 2x annual income. It wasn't even during a recession. They now cost around a million dollars.
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Old Yesterday, 11:50 PM
 
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What I see is something like the fall of Rome. Not just the usual generational complaining about the young people, but the rich becoming filthy rich and the poor are becoming more like peasants. Meanwhile, the corruption in the higher levels continues and anything goes. We seem to have lost our culture and our values, things that once held us together. Everyone is out for themselves and they seem to hate each other. Never have I seen that before in my life. Laugh if you want, but these are not normal times. It feels like the country is falling apart.
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Old Today, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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"California Capitalism" -- highly taxed at the top end, highly regulated -- works quite well. I laugh when people say California isn't business friendly: California has the No. 1 GDP in the U.S. and No. 5 in the world. Business conditions can't be too bad in order to make California such an economic powerhouse. In fact, a lot of the problems OP is talking about -- lack of affordable housing, high COL -- are mostly symptoms of success, not economic failure.

Capturing $1 out of every $3 invested in the entire world probably isn't hurting us either. In fact, the sheer horsepower of money flowing everywhere to capture engineering attention is likely what's propelling the economy DESPITE certain elements of our government.



When that constant inflow of 11 figures each quarter slows down, this place gets hit hard. The last recession, the .com bust....that's California's economy without the hype.


So come all you 49er gold prospectors, immigrant railroad workers, depression emigrant peach pickers, would be movie stars and engineers...come to the golden state. Dream big. Careful, though, those golden hills may simply be dried up tinder for the unwary.
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Old Today, 12:54 AM
 
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That “The West is in decline” has been a shrill outcry since at least 1914. All that changes with successive generations is dismay that the prior generation fouled it up so badly, failing to take action and instead bickering over picayune things. Or maybe, that means that nothing whatsoever has changed?

It certainly has been for the Empire on which the sun never sets.



Sadly, it will likely also be the same for the US. That unique combination of freedom and religious foundation are now relegated by most as obsolete and irrelevant. The country is divided, and the middle ground is ever a more dangerous place to stay.



The news was on while I was on break at work today. The President did something. Seems the guy is doing and getting blasted every time I make the mistake of looking at the news.



Imagine how many people devote how much of their time critiquing what a guy is doing rather than doing something for themselves....it's like the typical construction crew where one guy is doing the work and 4 people are all standing around supervising him.



I mean, the guy's an oaf....but there's seriously nothing I can do about it until 2020. Why waste time on that?
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Old Today, 01:08 AM
 
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Agree. I wasn't referring to California, which I would argue is almost at the opposite extreme of "unfettered socialism". Neither work in the long term as many are just now figuring out (too late most likely). There has to be a balance. I hope we can find that balance before we tip over but I fear we've already gone too far.
What we actually have are the two unhealthy extremes coexisting at the same time. We have a toxic mix of Crony Capitalism (not true free market capitalism) and Socialism (inefficient and bloated). Nowhere is this more evident than health care. But it exists in lots of other areas, too. In California, the toxic mix of Crony Capitalism (a few large developers dominate the housing market) and Socialism (overly strict land use regulations) both act to drive up prices and make life harder for the poor and middle class...and now even for the upper middle class.

We have to get past the false debate of Capitalism/Socialism and realize the real problem is corruption.
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Old Today, 01:13 AM
 
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That “The West is in decline” has been a shrill outcry since at least 1914. All that changes with successive generations is dismay that the prior generation fouled it up so badly, failing to take action and instead bickering over picayune things. Or maybe, that means that nothing whatsoever has changed?
As far as I'm concerned, it's true. The elites have a much longer timeline than everyone else. They've been plotting for complete and utter global control for over 200 years now. Books such as "Proofs of a Conspiracy" published in 1798 document this.

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.”--Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/850...e-one-in-which
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