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Old Today, 10:12 AM
 
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I'm only 30 but is anyone else noticing massive US decline?

I feel like the number of poor or homeless is increasing, and student loan amounts are rising way over inflation. Places with jobs have unaffordable housing even for many professionals and places without jobs have half the people on disability. I'm currently making over 100k/yr and live better than many of my friends. But my standard of living is far below that of my low paid hippie parents who used to casually rent a 3 bedroom home in my area while my Dad worked a mediocre job and my mom stayed home to raise me.

Republican vs Democrat I don't think it matters. It's all smoke and mirrors to deny the actual problem. Do any of you think there are merely too many humans? Like all ecosystems when too many organisms exist and comsume the limited resources there is a crash.

Maybe a global one child policy is the way to go.
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Old Today, 10:17 AM
 
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America has always had an underclass. For some people, this is business as usual.

It just seems that things were so good for certain people, that they never noticed the existing problems.
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Old Today, 10:20 AM
 
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I find it really hard to believe that your standard of living is below your “ low paid” parents.

I certainly cannot say that. Not even close.
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Old Today, 10:24 AM
 
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Well you do live in California. You have one of the highest individual tax burdens in the country, with extremely high COL (from rent to utilities, etc). $100,000 doesn't go far in that type of environment. Move, or vote for people who will change those tax policies.
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Old Today, 10:33 AM
 
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Well you do live in California. You have one of the highest individual tax burdens in the country, with extremely high COL (from rent to utilities, etc). $100,000 doesn't go far in that type of environment. Move, or vote for people who will change those tax policies.
I don't argue that point. But part of the reason I live here is my job which is technical, specialized and highly paid can't be obtained in much of the rest of the country. Sure I might be able to do the same thing I do now in Seattle or Boston but the overall salary to housing cost situation wouldn't improve much in those locations.

I remember my father making around 60k (with a mom that didn't work) in the early 1990s and us renting a nice 3 bedroom house in the area (and he wasn't always making this much money btw). Even assuming doubling of costs for inflation 120k wouldn't cut it these days.

I've also lived in other states and the same thing seems to be an issue everywhere. I lived in the Carolinas and the areas with decent jobs were fairly unaffordable to many even with decent incomes for the area. Same with NJ and NY.

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Old Today, 11:02 AM
 
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This is what ultimately happens in the late stages of (mostly) unfettered capitalism until safeguards and limits are put in place or the whole system gets overhauled. It happened in the 1920's and it took the Great Depression and then a World War to snap us out of it. Economic times were pretty great for a couple decades but since then the US has been in a long, steady decline for the past 4 decades or so as great socialist programs have eroded and corruption and privatization has eroded our infrastructure and once great institutions. The same thing happened over a longer period of time in Britain, which once ruled half the world but is now maybe barely in the Top 5 of the world's largest economies. Frankly it's gotten so bad it might take a full-on revolution to upend the system, which might mean a hit of the "reset" button. If that happens it won't be pretty for a while for a lot of people.
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Old Today, 11:14 AM
 
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I'm only 30 but is anyone else noticing massive US decline?

I feel like the number of poor or homeless is increasing, and student loan amounts are rising way over inflation. Places with jobs have unaffordable housing even for many professionals and places without jobs have half the people on disability. I'm currently making over 100k/yr and live better than many of my friends. But my standard of living is far below that of my low paid hippie parents who used to casually rent a 3 bedroom home in my area while my Dad worked a mediocre job and my mom stayed home to raise me.

Republican vs Democrat I don't think it matters. It's all smoke and mirrors to deny the actual problem. Do any of you think there are merely too many humans? Like all ecosystems when too many organisms exist and comsume the limited resources there is a crash.

Maybe a global one child policy is the way to go.

A reset is coming. You can feel it in the air. All the points you made are very valid (especially about the illusion of choice with the two-party establishment). Everything is a race to the bottom right now. It will take a reset to move things in the right direction again.
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Old Today, 11:26 AM
 
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I'm only 30 but is anyone else noticing massive US decline?
Yes, the U.S. and Western society have been in decline since before you were born. The more generous welfare states in other rich countries have put a nicer veneer on it than what we have in the U.S. But the decline is everywhere, and it's not just economic.

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I feel like the number of poor or homeless is increasing, and student loan amounts are rising way over inflation. Places with jobs have unaffordable housing even for many professionals and places without jobs have half the people on disability. I'm currently making over 100k/yr and live better than many of my friends. But my standard of living is far below that of my low paid hippie parents who used to casually rent a 3 bedroom home in my area while my Dad worked a mediocre job and my mom stayed home to raise me.
This is not an accident. And it's happening globally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtRVgt7IeXY

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Republican vs Democrat I don't think it matters. It's all smoke and mirrors to deny the actual problem.
I'd have some minor disagreements, but for the most part, yes. The political system was hijacked a long time ago--before you were born. It's not the highest level of power.

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Do any of you think there are merely too many humans? Like all ecosystems when too many organisms exist and consume the limited resources there is a crash.
No. It's propaganda that people learn in college. And for the record, I don't have any kids. This propaganda is part of the depopulation agenda

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Maybe a global one child policy is the way to go.
OMG, you got so much right above, but you made an absolute wrong turn here. This propaganda is exactly what the global elite has been forcing down our throats since the late 1960s.

I might add that part of the reason why we seem to have more poor and homeless people is that smart, educated, people are having fewer children than the not so smart and uneducated. I definitely think they've been engineering an underclass for quite a while. Make out of wedlock child bearing socially acceptable and then subsidize the people doing it with various welfare benefits while at the same time you tell the educated people they should reduce the number of kids they have because of global overpopulation. Those are just a few of the methods used to engineer certain outcomes.

If you think things are bad/corrupt at the U.S. level, you certainly don't want some global government telling you what to do. It will be 100X more corrupt than what we already have. We essentially already have a global shadow government running the show. Many of the problems we have are actually created by them. See this video on the Problem-Reaction-Solution method the global elite use to centralize power and control.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWXTW4RoZHk

Journalist Naomi Wolf talks about how power is being taken away from national governments from 1:05 to 7:05:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldc0k8e6aDI

So, to make a long story short, you have a lot more thinking and research to do. You won't find many answers from the mainstream media outlets. There are an overwhelming number of issues that they never cover, or only cover superficially.

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Old Today, 11:31 AM
 
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if you think this is a decline you should have been around with us in the 1970's when i got dumped out of school in to vietnam ,,, the highest unemployment since the great depression , double digit inflation , a dead stock market , no gas , soaring oil prices and riots in the streets with students being killed in demonstrations at college .
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Old Today, 12:16 PM
 
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if you think this is a decline you should have been around with us in the 1970's when i got dumped out of school in to vietnam ,,, the highest unemployment since the great depression , double digit inflation , a dead stock market , no gas , soaring oil prices and riots in the streets with students being killed in demonstrations at college .
I suspect the OP never had to wait hours in a gas line either.
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