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Old 04-19-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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HE is a total shame and hypocrite. Plus, only gave 3% of his income to charity. Even if you aren't a Romney fan, he gave 29%. And he had an actual job.

Lots of fools falling for Hypocrite Bernie's drivel.
Well to be fair, many of the charitable giving Rooney has done over the years are to organizations that really don't need it. As a Mormon, Romney is expected to tithe 10% to the LDS Church - any less and he'd not be in good standing. He also donates to Harvard and BYU as an alum, the Belmont Hill School - the tony private school all his boys attended, as well as a number of more charitable organizations. But the bulk is to the LDS, his alma maters, and Belmont Hill.

Bernie's donations are to organizations that do direct charitable work: senior centers, low-income organizations, educational entities, and environmental and housing advocacy groups.
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Old 04-19-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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And just what are all you Bernie-bashers going to do if he gets elected?

People have generally had it with trump's rhetoric and childish antics. He cant even run a casino adequately, left his employees in a lurch with no job, no money. Other things of his went bust. Hillary won the popular vote, which is how it should be, not the electoral college rigged system. In todays world with instant communication we can know voting results in seconds, not days or months like when the EC was,set up.
Hillary may not have been better either.

Trump is here like it or not.

Betnie may be here like it or not.

ALL politicians have detractors and supporters. Detractors shout louder than supporters.

I say, regardless of who gets in, lets see what they can actually accomplish.

Under trump's tax structure, our taxes were triple and we owed a lot compared to what they have been for the previous 17 years with a refund.

The other problem i see is that the haves are afraid that the have nots will get something or get ahead. So friggin what? Does that diminish your achievements?

Bernie's income spiked with the book, perhaps his charitable contributions were in line with his USUAL giving. He may not be experienced in the million dollar incone over his paltry by comparison under $200k usual income.

And nowhere does his taxes show what his net worth is. It onoy shows his income, nor have i seen a net worth statement fir him, and god knows we've not seen obe fir trump...except to know he is filthy rich with his own fleet or helicopters and planes and limos.

Heck, trump has yet to release tax forms, probably because he cheated...maybe why he got audited.

At least Bernie has released his!

Regardless though whoever gets in should be judged only after their presidency is over, not prior to, not during, but after based on what they actually accomplished. I say give em a chance.

And this stale 2 party system should never have been allowed by founding fathers. Should be a 3 party system, as eventually its this way one time and that way the next, whereas a 3rd party would guarantee theres always a 3rd alternative in the wings. And the independence party does not count. Its not a party, its built out of those who dont want to be donkeys or elephants. It grew out of independents. Now one must be registered as "independent of party" to be truly independent.

Well see who wins, but whomever does, give them a chance.

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Old 04-22-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Taxes have gone up a lot the last decade but the government always figures out how to waste more money such as the Russian collusion investigation.



If you count the fines the govt received from the convictions it got for Manafort with that investigation, we actually made money on the investigation, unlike the wasteful 4 year Bengazi investigation that got nothing...


The plea deal with Manafort included a forfeiture of somewhere between $42 million and $46 million in cash, insurance policies, and real estate. The real estate alone was worth an estimated $22 million, which will be auctioned off for the United States Treasury. Considering the investigation cost $25 mil, the taxpayers made out ok...


Back to our regularly scheduled Bernie rant...
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Old 04-22-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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I don't give a crap how much someone gives to charity. That means nothing. I don't care what people give to their church - that is no different than me giving to NPR - it goes to maintain a service that you value. Only about 5% of what you give to ANY church goes to actual charity. Most of it goes to maintenance of church facilities & salaries of pastoral & administrative staff. And that's fine, but don't pretend that giving to a church makes you a better person.

Poverty, health care, wealth inequality, etc... are big societal problems that will only be fixed with big societal solutions.

Charity is a "luxury." I give to arts & culture organizations in my state, the Nature Conservancy, ALS Association, to scholarship funds at my alma mater, to Goodwill and Salvation Army. I don't do that out of a sense of being charitable - I do that because I like what those organizations do & want them to continue their work. Oh yeah, it's more or less a net neutral effect, because I get to reduce my taxable income that way.

There is NOTHING altruistic about any of that.

If Bernie only gives 3% to those types of organizations, that is fine with me. It's his choice, and they are not saving the world.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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I would just like to see Sanders (and all other politicians) practice what they speak. You can pay more in taxes than you owe. If you think millionaires should be taxed at a higher amount, then pay that amount. If you think our carbon footprint is awful, don't fly personal jets for travel.



It's disappointing to see how many people flew personal jets to the international climate change symposium. Really? You can't double or triple up with people or maybe consider flying commercial? I get tired of being preached at by people who don't even walk their talk.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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I would just like to see Sanders (and all other politicians) practice what they speak. You can pay more in taxes than you owe. If you think millionaires should be taxed at a higher amount, then pay that amount. If you think our carbon footprint is awful, don't fly personal jets for travel.



It's disappointing to see how many people flew personal jets to the international climate change symposium. Really? You can't double or triple up with people or maybe consider flying commercial? I get tired of being preached at by people who don't even walk their talk.
Yep.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44210...es-ben-shapiro

https://patch.com/new-york/parkslope...new-deal-pitch

I guess us proles don't live "in the real world" so will be forced to ride bikes and not use AC during the summer to cut down on emissions.

And one of my favorites:

https://qz.com/690321/leonardo-dicap...nmental-award/
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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I would just like to see Sanders (and all other politicians) practice what they speak. You can pay more in taxes than you owe. If you think millionaires should be taxed at a higher amount, then pay that amount. If you think our carbon footprint is awful, don't fly personal jets for travel.



It's disappointing to see how many people flew personal jets to the international climate change symposium. Really? You can't double or triple up with people or maybe consider flying commercial? I get tired of being preached at by people who don't even walk their talk.
In other words, don't live in the world? We won't fix these problems with feel-good vanity measures. Onesies and twosies can do whatever they want, it won't make a difference. A person can reduce their carbon footprint and that's great, but it does little to fix the systemic problem - for which there have to be BIG solutions.

Jimmy Carter put on a sweater and turned the heat down in the white house. That did NOTHING about the energy crisis & no one was impressed.

I mean, they could live like the Unabomber out in Idaho & that would really prove a point, right?

Here is an article that points out the speciousness of that argument: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...nt-matter.html

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Old 04-30-2019, 03:13 PM
 
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U.S. Jews give more to charity on average than Americans with other faith traditions.
Catholic $1,142
Jewish $2,526
Protestant $1,749
Other affiliation $1,178

[url=http://theconversation.com/american-jews-and-charitable-giving-an-enduring-tradition-87993]American Jews and charitable giving: An enduring tradition[/url]
The Conversation, CC-BY-ND
Source: [URL="https://givingusa.org/just-released-giving-usa-special-report-on-giving-to-religion/"]Giving USA[/URL]
Yeah clearly that poster is anti-Semitic and doesn't care to notice all the Jewish names on institutions all over the country.
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:21 PM
 
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I don't give a crap how much someone gives to charity. That means nothing. I don't care what people give to their church - that is no different than me giving to NPR - it goes to maintain a service that you value. Only about 5% of what you give to ANY church goes to actual charity. Most of it goes to maintenance of church facilities & salaries of pastoral & administrative staff. And that's fine, but don't pretend that giving to a church makes you a better person.

Poverty, health care, wealth inequality, etc... are big societal problems that will only be fixed with big societal solutions.

Charity is a "luxury." I give to arts & culture organizations in my state, the Nature Conservancy, ALS Association, to scholarship funds at my alma mater, to Goodwill and Salvation Army. I don't do that out of a sense of being charitable - I do that because I like what those organizations do & want them to continue their work. Oh yeah, it's more or less a net neutral effect, because I get to reduce my taxable income that way.

There is NOTHING altruistic about any of that.

If Bernie only gives 3% to those types of organizations, that is fine with me. It's his choice, and they are not saving the world.
You said it better than I ever could!
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Old 04-30-2019, 09:32 PM
 
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when rates were 90% just about everything was deductible, all interest (mortgage, student loan, credit card) , state income and property taxes, charitable contributions, medial, misc itemized deductions (unreimbursed business expenses, investment expenses). Additionally, losses from real estate syndications, equipment leasing, oil & gas deals, ITC and other so called tax shelters were fully deductible.

It was worth taking the risk on those tax shelters since the tax rate was so high, a leveraged tax shelter deal could produce 4 or 5 to 1 (deductions to dollars invested).
Of course back then tax shelters and dodges were the norm. You essentially had a choice, gamble a bit with the money or just send it in. Most gambled. Most gambles failed, and some made money or struck it rich.
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