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Old 05-06-2019, 09:11 AM
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Un ok, what do you think happens when you are trying to live off of SS alone? Aging appears to be awful. Set yourself an expiration date? There were a lot more workers to pay in to SS decades ago compared to now. No easy solutions like “just pay their fair share”. 3.44 trillion collected in taxes (projected) and it’s not nearly enough, yet we are told (by many) that we must spend a lot more.
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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The reality is that the cumulative debts of 22 trillion dollars was incurred by the rest of the budget. At the rate they're borrowing, the debt will be a much larger obligation than the expected shortfall in Social Security and Medicare. Anything they cut from Social Security and Medicare will just go to feed the rest of the programs binging on debt.
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:18 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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No, we know that Americans can't define it:

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/poll...ans-today.aspx
No itís about your comment that Europe is not true example of socialism, there are many shades of socialism, same with communism, in fact some people said we donít have true example of communism today, nor with capitalism, USA is not pure example of capitalism, have you heard of the term crony capitalism.
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Anybody who still thinks in terms of the old left-right, democrat-republican, and capitalist-socialist dichotomies has basically ignored what's occurred over the last ten years.
I really could kiss you. So sick of people throwing out these old tired warn out "ism" that mean nothing.
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Old 05-06-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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No it’s about your comment that Europe is not true example of socialism, there are many shades of socialism, same with communism, in fact some people said we don’t have true example of communism today, nor with capitalism, USA is not pure example of capitalism, have you heard of the term crony capitalism.
The Europeans themselves are quick to point out to us that they do not have socialist systems. They are capitalist, but with some more generous government services than we have.

To have socialism you have to have some kind of government ownership of the means of production. What Europe has is more generous social welfare. Matters of taxation and services provided by it that are paid for by taxation =/= socialism any more than your local public school, public library, or public parks are socialist. Some towns' libraries are housed in a strip mall or one-room wooden building. Other towns have multi-story architectural feats in park settings for their libraries - that is something the locals voted for. It's not socialism.

China is actually socialist - as the government owns around 50% of the business property in that country and in its constitution actually claims socialism. Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam also reference Marxist-Leninist concepts in their constitutions.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:19 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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The Europeans themselves are quick to point out to us that they do not have socialist systems. They are capitalist, but with some more generous government services than we have.

To have socialism you have to have some kind of government ownership of the means of production. What Europe has is more generous social welfare. Matters of taxation and services provided by it that are paid for by taxation =/= socialism any more than your local public school, public library, or public parks are socialist. Some towns' libraries are housed in a strip mall or one-room wooden building. Other towns have multi-story architectural feats in park settings for their libraries - that is something the locals voted for. It's not socialism.

China is actually socialist - as the government owns around 50% of the business property in that country and in its constitution actually claims socialism. Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam also reference Marxist-Leninist concepts in their constitutions.
I go by the most famous European, the one who led Europe out of Hilter’s wrath, Churchill. Socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:35 PM
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The Europeans themselves are quick to point out to us that they do not have socialist systems. They are capitalist, but with some more generous government services than we have.

To have socialism you have to have some kind of government ownership of the means of production. What Europe has is more generous social welfare. Matters of taxation and services provided by it that are paid for by taxation =/= socialism any more than your local public school, public library, or public parks are socialist. Some towns' libraries are housed in a strip mall or one-room wooden building. Other towns have multi-story architectural feats in park settings for their libraries - that is something the locals voted for. It's not socialism.

China is actually socialist - as the government owns around 50% of the business property in that country and in its constitution actually claims socialism. Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam also reference Marxist-Leninist concepts in their constitutions.
Now you are arguing the line between what is socialist and what is communist.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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Now you are arguing the line between what is socialist and what is communist.
In communism the people collectively own the means of production and no one owns real estate, it's all collective. No country actually reached this. In socialism, the government owns the means of production and real estate. The USSR and China tried this. In capitalism, private actors own the means of production and real estate.

It is not that hard, yet only 17% of Americans make that distinction. 23% think "socialism" means "equal standing for everybody, all equal in rights, equal in distribution." Socialism has NOTHING to do with equal rights! You can be free or not under socialism, communism, or capitalism. Another 10% think it means "Benefits and services - social services free, medicine for all." It is NOT that! A capitalist system can provide that.
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Old 05-06-2019, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I've never understood by Buffett is a democrat to begin with, but at least maybe he can talk some sense into this party.
The parties are in the process of switching places. R is becoming the party of the working class while D is becoming/has already become the party of the bi-coastal elites which happens to include the Wizard of Omaha because of his 12-digit net worth.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
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The parties are in the process of switching places. R is becoming the party of the working class while D is becoming/has already become the party of the bi-coastal elites which happens to include the Wizard of Omaha because of his 12-digit net worth.
The Sanders faction doesn't want the help of people like Buffett.
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