In n'out managers making $113k/yr (buy, companies, interest, stores)
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I like both In-n-Out and 5 Guys when I'm in the mood.
Five Guys is another chain that is overrated, IMO. Went there with a friend when I lived in Raleigh because she liked it. Burger was OK, but nothing special, and pricey for its size. I didn't think the store had any atmosphere at all. Red and white tiles on the wall and high ceilings painted black. Big deal. The high ceilings actually seemed to make the whole place noisier and it was difficult to have a conversation at normal speaking level. I'd rather just go to Red Robin, where you're in a nicer environment and you get good service and they've actually got some variety in their burger offerings.
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At a more reasonable 60 hours a week, that's $36 an hour. Did you have a point?
I'm assuming he meant that 70 hours a week is a lot to work in any job, regardless of pay. Perhaps I'm old-fashioned in my thinking (I can remember when it was normal to work a 9 to 5 job, and that included the employer paying for an hour's lunch), but when did working a 12 hour day 5 days a week become "reasonable"? Personally, I value work-life balance, and working 12 hours a day all the time is just too much sacrifice from my personal life. Once in a while when things get busy is one thing, but to do it all the time, no thanks. I work in order to live, not live to work.
Five Guys is another chain that is overrated, IMO. Went there with a friend when I lived in Raleigh because she liked it. Burger was OK, but nothing special, and pricey for its size. I didn't think the store had any atmosphere at all. Red and white tiles on the wall and high ceilings painted black. Big deal.
That pretty much describes every gore-met burger joint in existence: we're really old fash and kewl and bare bones, which is why our 19-ingredient burgers are $11.
Oh: Jake's Wayback Burgers in the Hartford area is worth a stop.
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I'm assuming he meant that 70 hours a week is a lot to work in any job, regardless of pay.
I'll take that kindly interpretation, but my point was that not all jobs hit the intersection of short hours, high pay, stability and satisfaction. I assume no one pulling down six figures to keep making Animal Fries feels exploited, not at somewhere north of $30 an hour, even for the more extreme number.
It's the "assistant managers" who work those kind of hours, at crew pay, and have responsibility for every screwup on top of that, who need to rise up.
Five Guys is another chain that is overrated, IMO. Went there with a friend when I lived in Raleigh because she liked it. Burger was OK, but nothing special, and pricey for its size. I didn't think the store had any atmosphere at all. Red and white tiles on the wall and high ceilings painted black. Big deal. The high ceilings actually seemed to make the whole place noisier and it was difficult to have a conversation at normal speaking level. I'd rather just go to Red Robin, where you're in a nicer environment and you get good service and they've actually got some variety in their burger offerings.
Five Guys is quite expensive, but quite good as well. Of course, they likely need to throw in a coronary bypass with each meal
I'll disagree wholeheartedly with you on Red Robin.. Nastiest thing I've ever had. Truly awful.
We have a place here, not a chain.. It's a bar.. Anyone familiar with the Spartanburg, SC area will tell you.. Ike's. best burger you'll ever have.. BUT.. You go in that place, you'll smell like it the rest of the day. It's not a greasy spoon, because the knife, the fork, the plate and the walls are greasy, too.
The thing is, I would suspect an average In-N-Out is pulling in $350K-$450K/week, with some like the one on the Las Vegas strip doing a cool million a week easy.
$113K/year for running a $15-20M/year (and up) business isn't terribly outrageous. Helps to work for a great company.
I attribute it to fresh food consistently prepared well at a reasonable price. The employees seem happy and do their job. And I try to support any business that pays their employees a decent salary.
Yeah, I agree with you and Labonte....reasonable, some might say even cheap.
I like both In-n-Out and 5 Guys when I'm in the mood.
In-N-Out is one of my faves (I've been to a number of them...in 5 states IIRC (CA, NV, UT, AZ, and TX). I'm not really a fan of Five Guys, but I think I've only been to one of them (the one closest to Memorial City in Houston).
I like The Habit (a chain in Northern and Southern California that I think has about 25 locations....I've only been to the one in Stockton and the one in Livermore).
I believe there's been one burger that I liked from each of four major chains (Burger King, Carl's Jr., McDonalds, and Jack-in-the-Box), but it's been so long since I've been to any of those for a burger...I don't remember which choices those would have been (I don't eat meat very often).
Most of the burger chains are garbage. Five Guys has good fries, their burgers are crap, unless you like thin patties, pressed on the flat top until they are over cooked. I guess you get the benefit of adding toppings to cover up the half ass burger taste.
As for the OP content, fast food store managers work insane hours and deal with a difficult work force. They also dedicated their lives to the chain in ways most can't even begin to fathom.
The thing is, I would suspect an average In-N-Out is pulling in $350K-$450K/week, with some like the one on the Las Vegas strip doing a cool million a week easy.
$113K/year for running a $15-20M/year (and up) business isn't terribly outrageous. Helps to work for a great company.
..... I think your being a little ambitious, actually very ambitious, with those figures. $25k-40k/week is more realistic. Most locations are probably doing 1.5-2M/year with a few outliers doing more. Nevertheless, with a max potential of $113k/year that's a good deal. I doubt they work less than 60hrs a week and likely 6 days a week.
Most of the burger chains are garbage. Five Guys has good fries, their burgers are crap, unless you like thin patties, pressed on the flat top until they are over cooked. I guess you get the benefit of adding toppings to cover up the half ass burger taste.
As for the OP content, fast food store managers work insane hours and deal with a difficult work force. They also dedicated their lives to the chain in ways most can't even begin to fathom.
I went to to Five Guys once, and I was truly unimpressed. I'm almost sure I went to In-N-Out when a visited California a few years ago. I doubt the burgers were impressive since my memory is foggy about it. The best burger, I've had to date was in some small restaurant in San Francisco not to far away from the Golden Gate bridge. One day I'll find it on google.
Being a fast food store manager is not for the faint of heart. Yes, their lives revolve around the chain as each locations is really it's own small business. Assistant managers probably get shafted the most in most fast food restaurants. Slighty higher pay than shift leads, when you factor in the hours, less pay/bonus than the Store manager, with about 90% of the same responsibility.
I came to believe that In-N-Outs came from the factory with a line of 20 cars for the drive-up.
Never understood the rabid obsession with the chain. Decent burgers, a little pricey, but absolutely nothing special. I chalk it up to cult status, like Coors beer before it went national.
Completely agree. I've had it a few times, even tried it in twice in California (just cause there's always those saying it's better than the ones in TX). Still wasn't impressed. The burger is actually pretty good. But the fries are absolute garbage. Yes, I know they cook them fresh right there, I've seen them do it. But they still taste stale by the time I eat them. Been that way at every single location I've been to. I now live a mile from one in TX. Went there once when I first moved, haven't been back.
For the salary, I wonder how much of that is because so many locations are in some of the highest COL metros in the country.
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Personally, I value work-life balance, and working 12 hours a day all the time is just too much sacrifice from my personal life. Once in a while when things get busy is one thing, but to do it all the time, no thanks. I work in order to live, not live to work.
(I don't eat meat very often).
..... I think your being a little ambitious, actually very ambitious, with those figures. $25k-40k/week is more realistic. Most locations are probably doing 1.5-2M/year with a few outliers doing more. Nevertheless, with a max potential of $113k/year that's a good deal. I doubt they work less than 60hrs a week and likely 6 days a week.
