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Old 07-07-2019, 07:53 PM
 
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Darwinism relative to our nation's economic and social wellbeing:

Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.

Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comfort and/or duration of life. The individuals' families and our entire society also to some extent share and endure some economic and social detriments due to those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of government's medical policies, Social Security retirement, public education, public assistance, and other public services.
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:01 PM
 
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You seem to have a habit of creating new definitions to words and then create post(s) or narratives around them so just in case people want the definition

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Dar·win·ism
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noun
the theory of the evolution of species by natural selection advanced by Charles Darwin.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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Darwinism relative to our nation's economic and social wellbeing:

Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.

Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comfort and/or duration of life. The individuals' families and our entire society also to some extent share and endure some economic and social detriments due to those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of government's medical policies, Social Security retirement, public education, public assistance, and other public services.

The problem here is your underlying assumption that Medicare and Medicaid exist to ameliorate the high costs of healthcare, when it's quite possible that Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs have contributed to the high costs of healthcare. It's interesting to note that before those programs came into being, healthcare comprised roughly 5% of the economy. Today, it's around 20%.
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Old 07-08-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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The problem here is your underlying assumption that Medicare and Medicaid exist to ameliorate the high costs of healthcare, when it's quite possible that Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs have contributed to the high costs of healthcare. It's interesting to note that before those programs came into being, healthcare comprised roughly 5% of the economy. Today, it's around 20%.
MinivanDriver, how did you jump to the conclusion of my beliefs or assumptions?

Certainly the existence of insurance somewhat increases prices; people are not sufficiently knowledgeable regarding medical matters; decisions often must be made at stressful and/or short durations of time; medical technology is not cheap; quality requirements of medical services, tools, and materials are extremely exacting and expensive; medical technology has increased durations of life and thus increased lifetime medical costs.
All of these factors reduce laypersons' abilities to shop for medical services.
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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I don't know that "Darwinism" is relevant to the kind of reasoning you are referring to, I call it "the new conservatism." And yes, it has greatly changed the notions of community among Americans. At one time we thought of our neighbors in terms of mutual aid acting as the glue which binds us. And yes, even those afflicted by a pressing poverty were willing to help, and be helped. Today we have little real community, and much less give a damn about our fellow man. Personally, I have long felt that the best use of my tax dollars has been all that which helps my fellow citizens in their time of need.

Those individuals who are doing well have often been castigated by those who aren't, as though the rational expectation was to have individuals sharing their prosperity with others in a direct manner. The government, as the arbiter in all that expectation and social disagreement, has seen fit to tax and spend in an attempt to ameliorate the worst aspects of class friction and it's tendency toward wealth concentration in the upper reaches of society. None of our attempts to help those in need mean much unless we recognize our own self interest as a great motivator to help others..That self interest has to do with our desire to live in a decent country.

I think the author LR Knost provides a view to what may be a simple answer to all this consternation about who should be helping who:

"Our humanity is indelibly linked to our treatment of one another. Humane treatment grows humanity. Inhumane treatment destroys humanity. At its roots, humanity is an elegantly simple equation - input equals output.”
― L.R. Knost
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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"Never give the problem of overpopulation to a mathematician. He will just shoot every other person." - R.A. Heinlein
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:37 AM
 
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The problem here is your underlying assumption that Medicare and Medicaid exist to ameliorate the high costs of healthcare, when it's quite possible that Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs have contributed to the high costs of healthcare. It's interesting to note that before those programs came into being, healthcare comprised roughly 5% of the economy. Today, it's around 20%.
And yet one of the reasons given for why 'Medicare for all' is a bad idea is that the reimbursement rates providers get from government programs are lower than what private insurers will pay for a given action or procedure and doctors and hospitals wouldn't make enough money to want to remain as providers without the reimbursement rates they get from private insurers.

Can't have it both ways
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:42 AM
 
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Darwinism relative to our nation's economic and social wellbeing:

Modern medical technology is very expensive for all segments of our population. Proponents of the Darwinist theory applied to medicine suggest that rather than government schemes such as Medicaid and Medicare, those that cannot afford modern medical treatment and devices should survive as best as they can.

Darwinism limits persons with insufficient financial resources and/or an over-abundance of financial responsibilities to the remainder of their lives with lesser comfort and/or duration of life. The individuals' families and our entire society also to some extent share and endure some economic and social detriments due to those individuals' crippled or lesser limbs, poorer sight or blindness, poorer hearing or deafness, or lesser physical coordination, or lesser cognizant, or shorter life spans.


It's not unusual to encounter Darwinism within discussions of government's medical policies, Social Security retirement, public education, public assistance, and other public services.
Do you have a link to a coherent Economic Darwinism or Medical Darwinism website so we can read it, and come back to comment?
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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And yet one of the reasons given for why 'Medicare for all' is a bad idea is that the reimbursement rates providers get from government programs are lower than what private insurers will pay for a given action or procedure and doctors and hospitals wouldn't make enough money to want to remain as providers without the reimbursement rates they get from private insurers.

Can't have it both ways
On the other hand, a LTTE I just read mildly noted that very few people object to giving up private insurance at 65. With that in mind, a vast number of the arguments against MFA/single-payer/etc. become pretty absurd.
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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We have gone the other direction. Society provides all sorts of safety nets that support the physically and mentally impaired individuals. A great many of them reproduce. Some of the most impaired seem to settle in as breeders.
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