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Old 11-28-2019, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Paris Hilton
Any of Sarah Palin's kids
Hunter Biden
Half of Congress
George W. Bush (sorry he was fast tracked to the presidency by daddy)
Paris Hilton is an interesting case because she had great family connections growing up, but hated how her family tried to use money to control her behavior. (They would eventually totally cut her off from the Hilton fortune) And then by the time she was 20, she figured out that the LA party scene would pay her to show up to try to generate buzz about events.

But rather than spending all her appearance fees on shoes and booze, she banked most of it, found a group of financial advisors she could trust who wouldn't rip her off, and predated social media in terms of creating herself as a brand. And she was able to make some good branding deals in the perfume and clothing sectors that brought even more money in.

So in her own way, she's very self-made and for all that I'd probably want to smack her across the room if I ever met her, I also have a good amount of respect for how she figured out what she wanted in life, kept her eyes on the prize, and figured out how to get exactly what she wanted from her starting point as a paid club girl.

It's kind of like how Cindy Crawford took her modeling money and built a branded empire.
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Old 11-28-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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Paris Hilton
Any of Sarah Palin's kids
Hunter Biden
Half of Congress
George W. Bush (sorry he was fast tracked to the presidency by daddy)
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Paris Hilton is an interesting case because she had great family connections growing up, but hated how her family tried to use money to control her behavior. (They would eventually totally cut her off from the Hilton fortune) And then by the time she was 20, she figured out that the LA party scene would pay her to show up to try to generate buzz about events.

But rather than spending all her appearance fees on shoes and booze, she banked most of it, found a group of financial advisors she could trust who wouldn't rip her off, and predated social media in terms of creating herself as a brand. And she was able to make some good branding deals in the perfume and clothing sectors that brought even more money in.

So in her own way, she's very self-made and for all that I'd probably want to smack her across the room if I ever met her, I also have a good amount of respect for how she figured out what she wanted in life, kept her eyes on the prize, and figured out how to get exactly what she wanted from her starting point as a paid club girl.

It's kind of like how Cindy Crawford took her modeling money and built a branded empire.
Very true re: Paris Hilton. After being cut off, she really is self-made. Her involuntary sex tape and the many spoofs of it on TV didn't hurt. She is among the first leading "Famous for being Famous" celebrities.

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Any of Sarah Palin's kids
I don't think any of them qualify; they are not rich.
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Hunter Biden
Although much of his success is due to being connected, he is not rich.

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Half of Congress
You'll have to be a bit more specific.
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George W. Bush (sorry he was fast tracked to the presidency by daddy)
George W. Bush doesn't qualify. He most certainly has skills, most certainly made something of himself.
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Old 12-01-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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It is you that have it backwards - some of the social programs would be put on EVERYONE whether they want it or not on the same health plan and other programs that few that currently pay want. It would also impose much higher taxes on the rich as giveaways to the masses to buy votes.

Currently much of the middle class and poor pay no taxes, they get subsidized healthcare already under several programs. But under the proposed Medicare for all, everyone's health care costs would go up (according to studies) and most that currently don't pay tax would have to start paying taxes to cover these costs. It would impose what type of healthcare and who provides it on everyone, rationing services. Dems want to put everyone on the same government run plan.
Everyone pays taxes. The rich pass their taxes to everyone else in the products and services they sell.
Wage earners have no way to pass those taxes on to other people. The top 90% should pay 0 taxes since they are already paying for it as consumers.
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Old 12-01-2019, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas & San Diego
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Everyone pays taxes. The rich pass their taxes to everyone else in the products and services they sell.
Wage earners have no way to pass those taxes on to other people. The top 90% should pay 0 taxes since they are already paying for it as consumers.
???? Do you mean bottom 90% should pay 0???? If the top 90% paid 0 - there would be very little collected - even if collected 100% from the bottom 10% - would collect less than 1% of what is collected now.

How do "the rich pass their taxes to everyone else in products and services" - not everyone "rich" is selling products and services, probably the great majority are not. But also, that is not how it works, prices are set competitively and they can't just increase prices to cover the taxes.

Just to clarify - not "everyone pays taxes", many at the bottom pay essentially no taxes at all and almost half in the US pay no income taxes. The top 10% in the US already pay over 68% of the income taxes, the top 10% in the UK pay only 27% of the taxes.

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Old 12-02-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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You do realize that society doesn't require anything other than following the law, right?
Far enough, I mean in the sense of, "require in order to be worthy of food and shelter".
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Old 12-02-2019, 06:44 PM
 
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum...low-wage-jobs/

Nearly half of workers are making poverty or near poverty wages. As the article notes, there’s not enough well paying jobs to go around, even if people advanced their skills/education...it doesn’t guarantee a well paying job, but it does typically guarantee student loan debt. I think employers should bring back old fashion apprenticeships. Find an employee that’s a good fit and train them on the job.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:10 PM
 
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minimum...low-wage-jobs/

Nearly half of workers are making poverty or near poverty wages. As the article notes, there’s not enough well paying jobs to go around, even if people advanced their skills/education...it doesn’t guarantee a well paying job, but it does typically guarantee student loan debt. I think employers should bring back old fashion apprenticeships. Find an employee that’s a good fit and train them on the job.
If everyone made a million dollars a year, then no one would, know what I mean?

In other words, the only thing that really matters is if there is upward mobility. Immigrants can come here with nothing and build a small empire, why can't those living here for decades do the same?
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:16 PM
 
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If everyone made a million dollars a year, then no one would, know what I mean?

In other words, the only thing that really matters is if there is upward mobility. Immigrants can come here with nothing and build a small empire, why can't those living here for decades do the same?
There’s millions more citizens that have been here for decades than immigrants that recently arrived.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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There’s millions more citizens that have been here for decades than immigrants that recently arrived.
Ok???

So why are they still stuck in poverty while the newly arrived immigrants are out there building their businesses and moving up in the world?
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Old 12-02-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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Ok???

So why are they still stuck in poverty while the newly arrived immigrants are out there building their businesses and moving up in the world?
Are there statistics for how many immigrants start their own business and succeed? Millions of people are going to build their own success business? Is the demand there to support that, especially in rural areas.
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